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Do you know what skills Obama had before being the US President? Answer: he was real good a shooting staples into light post and walls posting community-organizing posters all over town
Ray as usual when you start on President Obama you get it all wrong. He was a lawyer which is quite an achievement and he was a United States Senator which is in itself quite an achievement. Are you just jealous of what he has accomplished? What ever you have done in your life it's not up to his level so why not just lay off denigrating someone you can't reach up to?
Do you know what skills Obama had before winning the US Presidency? Answer: he was real good a shooting staples into light post and walls to hold posters in place during his community-organizing events
Nope. He has the skill of charisma ( with or without a teleprompter ) and that is what gets folks elected.
That, and he ran as the most opposed person to George W Bush's views ( other than Kucinich ) and that alone, clinched it.
First off, look up his accomplishments. I'm not defending the guy, but I'm not going to say he didn't accomplish much because I don't like him.
Remember, this is the U.S. We are a nation of consumers. People aren't going to buy crap when they don't have the $ for it. Obama's idea of helping out the economy--let's see--that $787 billion stimulus, what % of that benefits 98% of the country--seriously? Take the banking industry. They too, got these huge bailout funds because they were "too big to fail" and what have they done w/ those funds they were supposed to be handing out to small businesses? Try hoarding them. Even after Chase, BofA, etc received billions, they were denying people with a 800 credit score, a loan for $1000. That's a fact you can't deny, this is what enraged so much of the middle class with respect to the bailouts.
No, he also bailed out the rich--the filthy rich CEO's, etc. When he signed that tax cut bill ( the only one he signed--just last Dec what used to be called the "Bush Tax Cuts" ) who benefits from that? again, the working class?!? HA! Look at how much the same folks that slam him got in a pay raise from $ we're borrowing from the Chinese--a bafoon like Limbaugh will get over $3 million *MORE* per year, each and every year these tax cuts are in place. What is Limbaugh or Hannity, or Palin, etc doing to create jobs? not squat! You are right, Obama did extend those tax cuts because 2012 isn't that far off, and he knew he'd still need support from the same ones who even he has to believe, aren't doing anything to create jobs.
You must be a little confused? That so called "tax break" was not a tax break only for the rich, but for all tax payers. If fact, all he and Congress had to do was to let it expire, but they didn't. Can you ask yourself why they didn't (and don't forget about all the seats they lost in Congress recently while you go at it). And do you know why Obamacare will be fully implemented in 2013 instead of 2011?
Now, Chaves in Venezuela would have agreed with you about taking from the rich, to have him spend it it all day. Don't you already know that the rich pay most of the taxes in the US? What do you think the Federal Government is going to do with any tax collected from all tax payers, including the rich? They will just spend it. The more they have, the more they can spend. If the rich have more money than the poor, it's their money nevertheless. Why should the government take money only from the rich tax paying workers and not from all tax paying workers?
By the way, ask your members of Congress how much they earn per year, since they too are rich and still make a living from all tax payers rich and poor. They also have a lot more benefits than the average American does, better healthcare, have exempted themselves from Obamacare, don't have to pee in the bottle for drug tests like the rest of Americans, and push pork day and night under the table.
Good looking women like her, and good looking but liberal ones are porcupines? Believe me when I tell you that if porcupines would look like Palin, there would be a lot more pregnant porcupines in this word.
I just don't get that one
LOL! That is not the only part of my response you didn't get either!
I can't say anything about how she works, but more that I know more about her than the president that seems to hide everything about himself. I don't trust Obama and going by what he has done to the US he is spending money faster than it can be printed. Actually I give up on our voting system it is all professional politic's now.
Yes, if you don't trust Obama it follows logically that you ought to put your faith in Sarah Palin. QED.
Nope. He has the skill of charisma ( with or without a teleprompter ) and that is what gets folks elected.
That, and he ran as the most opposed person to George W Bush's views ( other than Kucinich ) and that alone, clinched it.
He didn't run against Bush. Did he?
Well he does have big ears, but then...there is a saying about men that have big ears... . I will admit that he can read his teleprompter without skipping a beat, although you have to understand that that's a very smart teleprompter doing the thinking for him. It takes a very skillful teleprompter to get away with coming up with some many ideas about spending more and more each day.
You must be a little confused? That so called "tax break" was not a tax break only for the rich, but for all tax payers. If fact, all he and Congress had to do was to let it expire, but they didn't. Can you ask yourself why they didn't (and don't forget about all the seats they lost in Congress recently while you go at it). And do you know why Obamacare will be fully implemented in 2013 instead of 2011?
Now, Chaves in Venezuela would have agreed with you about taking from the rich, to have him spend it it all day. Don't you already know that the rich pay most of the taxes in the US? What do you think the Federal Government is going to do with any tax collected from all tax payers, including the rich? They will just spend it. The more they have, the more they can spend.
By the way, ask your members of Congress how much they earn per year, since they too are rich and still make a living from all tax payers rich and poor. They also have a lot more benefits than the average American does, better healthcare, and have exempted themselves from Obamacare.
Exactly. That is what I meant by the tax cut bill he signed last Dec. It is a tax-cut for everyone, as a mean to "get the economy growing again" that both the GOP and dems are stating. There's a problem though. How are we going to get the economy going again when 98% of the American public ( regardless of where they live ) get anywhere from $5-30-35 more per month?!? You know how much the rich get more per month? Try into the thousands of $, because it is merely a % of one's income. What does the poor and middle class do with their income? They spend it--on goods and services, and mostly just crap they don't need like vacation, a bigger tv, a newer car, etc. What do the rich do with their income. They save it. So, how's the middle class and poor ( remember, 98% of this country ) going to get the economy again when it is the rich who are getting more powerful?
I agree about the members of Congress, but at the same time, we should have the SAME exact health care they have--not different but exactly the same. Do you hear members from either side calling to an end to their "socialist-style health care" they get? because it is socialized--on the backs of American workers. Of course not, and they aren't being scammed and ripped off by the private insurance industry that someone who works for a living does. What you like to call "Obamacare" ( because there is no such thing ) isn't perfect--it's far from it--because there is no public option/single-payer law ) but it is better than what we have had in place the last few decades; and particularly the last 10 yrs as private insurance companies were dropping more and more folks.
Even the right-wing is reluctant to push repealing that health care law too far now because its popularity is growing. ( It was 43% in Aug 2009 during the town hall debates, now it is over 60% because of the benefits people are seeing from it slowly take place already implemented. )
About the rich paying less taxes, ask Warren Buffett ( usually in the top 3 wealthiest individuals in the US ) how much of his taxes he pays each year, compared to his secretary ( who makes probably about $50k/yr--higher middle class range )--you might be surprised what he tells you. Even he said our tax structure is so screwed up why he is paying 1/10th the taxes someone making $30k a year is.
Ray as usual when you start on President Obama you get it all wrong. He was a lawyer which is quite an achievement and he was a United States Senator which is in itself quite an achievement. Are you just jealous of what he has accomplished? What ever you have done in your life it's not up to his level so why not just lay off denigrating someone you can't reach up to?
No. I am not jealous of Obama, nor about any other rich person in the US. And I am not "denigrating" President Obama any more than some of you aren't denigrating Palin. Then rich people pay a lot more taxes than I do
He didn't run against Bush. Did he?
Well he does have big ears, but then...there is a saying about men that have big ears... . I will admit that he can read his teleprompter without skipping a beat, although you have to understand that that's a very smart teleprompter doing the thinking for him. It takes a very skillful teleprompter to get away with coming up with some many ideas about spending more and more each day.
What gets people elected these days is money.
No, he ran against McCain and McCain prided himself on George W Bush until his popularity started declining because of course, the dems were using that as McCain's sinker.
A saying about men w/ big ears? WTF? That is like saying there is something about people who live in AK too...senseless.
Money does pay a part of who gets elected, yes, but so does charisma. Look at every past president we've had, they all won because they were the most charismatic at the time. Jimmy Carter didn't beat Ted Kennedy in the primaries in '76 based on money, and Obama didn't beat the Clinton money-making machine on money either.
Exactly. That is what I meant by the tax cut bill he signed last Dec. It is a tax-cut for everyone, as a mean to "get the economy growing again" that both the GOP and dems are stating. There's a problem though. How are we going to get the economy going again when 98% of the American public ( regardless of where they live ) get anywhere from $5-30-35 more per month?!? You know how much the rich get more per month? Try into the thousands of $, because it is merely a % of one's income. What does the poor and middle class do with their income? They spend it--on goods and services, and mostly just crap they don't need like vacation, a bigger tv, a newer car, etc. What do the rich do with their income. They save it. So, how's the middle class and poor ( remember, 98% of this country ) going to get the economy again when it is the rich who are getting more powerful?
I agree about the members of Congress, but at the same time, we should have the SAME exact health care they have--not different but exactly the same. Do you hear members from either side calling to an end to their "socialist-style health care" they get? because it is socialized--on the backs of American workers. Of course not, and they aren't being scammed and ripped off by the private insurance industry that someone who works for a living does. What you like to call "Obamacare" ( because there is no such thing ) isn't perfect--it's far from it--because there is no public option/single-payer law ) but it is better than what we have had in place the last few decades; and particularly the last 10 yrs as private insurance companies were dropping more and more folks.
Even the right-wing is reluctant to push repealing that health care law too far now because its popularity is growing. ( It was 43% in Aug 2009 during the town hall debates, now it is over 60% because of the benefits people are seeing from it slowly take place already implemented. )
About the rich paying less taxes, ask Warren Buffett ( usually in the top 3 wealthiest individuals in the US ) how much of his taxes he pays each year, compared to his secretary ( who makes probably about $50k/yr--higher middle class range )--you might be surprised what he tells you. Even he said our tax structure is so screwed up why he is paying 1/10th the taxes someone making $30k a year is.
About taxes: lets say that we have a flat tax of 10%, and that this tax applies to all working Americans, rich and poor. Now, a poor worker earns $100.00 per year, and a rich worker earns $1,000 per year. Both pay 10% income tax.
In this case, the rich worker is still putting more money in the pot than the poor worker (rich = $100.00, poor = $10.00). However, this would be a fair tax. As it is now, the rich still put most of the money in the pot (Federal tax coffers) than the rest. It would make no sense whatsoever to take more from the rich than other tax payers.
Remember "gravitas"? Supposedly Bush could not win because he lacked "gravitas." Right? But he did...twice A car dealer without charisma still sells cars. Bill Clinton had a lot of Charisma, too. But what wins elections is the money and power in the background.
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