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Old 06-02-2018, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Henderson, NV, U.S.A.
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To learn more, definitely check out his 2017 book: The End of Alzheimer's: The First Program to Prevent and Reverse Cognitive Decline, Dale Bredesen, MD

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Old 06-02-2018, 11:55 AM
 
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I viewed a good portion of this video and I've been researching this subject for a while now. The doctor talks about:

Amyloid plaque,,, which I feel I'm on top of with: https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0617165716.htm

Homocysteine levels which my doctor tested and my levels were higher and I've been working to reduce these levels.

Antioxidants...which I'm a big fan on including the one mentioned in the above link.

He mentions the zinc/copper connection.

And there is a lot of info on Coconut Oil use and the brain, so that is one of my daily oils I use.

Overall, it's a very good video and lessons and a lot of what I've been working with already...

There are many good sites on this issue and lot of info to definitely consider. Not wait until it's too late and then many are bombarded with drugs as they have advanced.

Thanks. Who wants to end up with Alzheimers?

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Old 06-02-2018, 12:28 PM
 
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Having read the reviews on Amazon of Dr. Bredesen's book, I found this one interesting:

"I have been given either a link for this book or the hard cover of this book by no less then three well meaning people, who apparently think I'm either incable of performing a simple internet search after 4 years of caring for, reading about, attending seminars for and about people with early onset Alzheimer's.

Bredesen is a modern day snake oil salesmen. You can not reverse Alzheimer's. At present the best all of the clinical trials hope for is being able to stop the cognitive decline in its tracks.

To suggest you can reverse cognitive decline is akin to telling a paraplegic, if he'd only follow a certain regime, he would grow his missing limb back.

I have heard Doctor Anwar Sabbagh (formerly Banner and Barrows) speak about moving Alzheimer's from a terminal disease to a manageable disease (similar to HIV) in his lifetime. I believe that and him, but they still have a ways to go.

Suggesting that a diet or other homeopathic means can reverse this horrific disease is just salt in the wounds of any family member or caregiver of someone with AD and a way to profit off the suffering of others.

What happen to critical thought? If he truly had the cure for Alzheimer's, don't you think it would be in every scientific journal, and on every news media outlet in the world?

I swear, as a caregiver of a husband with Alzheimer's, if one more person gives me this book, I will set it on fire."
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Old 06-02-2018, 12:33 PM
 
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Why not work to stop it before it's advanced, if one ends up with Alz. I believe this doctor talks about prevention. Why do people choose to use that snake oil comment. So many sharing years of work on health subjects. It never ceases to amaze me, some complain about info from sites that sell products and then others complain when nothing is sold..unbelievable.

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Old 06-02-2018, 12:41 PM
 
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having read the reviews on amazon of dr. Bredesen's book, i found this one interesting:

"i have been given either a link for this book or the hard cover of this book by no less then three well meaning people, who apparently think i'm either incable of performing a simple internet search after 4 years of caring for, reading about, attending seminars for and about people with early onset alzheimer's.

Bredesen is a modern day snake oil salesmen. You can not reverse alzheimer's. At present the best all of the clinical trials hope for is being able to stop the cognitive decline in its tracks.

To suggest you can reverse cognitive decline is akin to telling a paraplegic, if he'd only follow a certain regime, he would grow his missing limb back.

I have heard doctor anwar sabbagh (formerly banner and barrows) speak about moving alzheimer's from a terminal disease to a manageable disease (similar to hiv) in his lifetime. I believe that and him, but they still have a ways to go.

Suggesting that a diet or other homeopathic means can reverse this horrific disease is just salt in the wounds of any family member or caregiver of someone with ad and a way to profit off the suffering of others.

What happen to critical thought? if he truly had the cure for alzheimer's, don't you think it would be in every scientific journal, and on every news media outlet in the world?

I swear, as a caregiver of a husband with alzheimer's, if one more person gives me this book, i will set it on fire."
100%.
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Old 06-02-2018, 12:54 PM
 
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Even though he touts reversing Alzheimer's, nothing in his protocol does that, it's just a hope for the future. What he claims is by following a very complicated protocol, people with pre-Alzheimers or the beginnings of Alzheimers can slow down the disease. But lots of things do that, engagement in art or music, some medications, etc. He's selling hope, not a cure, i.e. snake oil.

I remember reading Dr. Coldwell's book on curing Cancer where he claims to have cured 30,000 people of cancer with his protocol. Given his age and the logistics, it's not possible for him to have even treated and followed up on 30,000 cancer patients in his lifetime, never mind curing them all. It was an absurd statement but people lap this type of hope up. These books generally have a nearly impossible to follow protocol, and no scientific evidence to back their claims, then if you are not helped you are blamed for not following the protocol.

It's like the claims that marijuana cures cancer. No, it doesn't. If it did, Bob Marley would still be alive.

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Why not work to stop it before it's advanced, if one ends up with Alz. I believe this doctor talks about prevention. Why do people choose to use that snake oil comment. So many sharing years of work on health subjects.
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Old 06-02-2018, 12:58 PM
 
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Even though he touts reversing Alzheimer's, nothing in his protocol does that, it's just a hope for the future. What he claims is by following a very complicated protocol, people with pre-Alzheimers or the beginnings of Alzheimers can slow down the disease. But lots of things do that, engagement in art or music, some medications, etc. He's selling hope, not a cure, i.e. snake oil.

I remember reading Dr. Calder's book on curing Cancer where he claims to have cured 30,000 people of cancer with his protocol. Given his age and the logistics, it's not possible for him to have even treated and followed up on 30,000 cancer patients in his lifetime, never mind curing them all. It was an absurd statement but people lap this type of hope up. These books generally have a nearly impossible to follow protocol, and no scientific evidence to back their claims, then if you are not helped you are blamed for not following the protocol.

It's like the claims that marijuana cures cancer. No, it doesn't. If it did, Bob Marley would still be alive.
What's wrong with Hope and working with some of the issues he does mention. My own MD went to the homocysteine issue several yrs ago. Many many write and sell books, and many many prescribe drugs. I'll go with some of the books and info vs taking drugs when things have advanced. What I do is NOT impossible, very easy...antioxidants and other issues. And it is so much about circulation and that is what the great "grape" product works to keep working...good circulation...the brain too of course.

You don't buy into any of the info, let it go...forget about it.

It's easy to pop a drug, if one has a memory to do that or their caregiver will do it.

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Old 06-02-2018, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Henderson, NV, U.S.A.
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Bredesen is a modern day snake oil salesmen.
Dale E. Bredesen, MD, is internationally recognized as an expert in the mechanisms of neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimer’s disease. He graduated from Caltech then earned his MD from Duke University Medical Center in Durham, North Carolina. He served as chief resident in neurology at the University of California, San Francisco (UCSF) before joining Nobel Laureate Stanley Prusiner’s laboratory at UCSF as a National Institutes of Health postdoctoral fellow. He has held faculty positions at UCSF; the University of California, Los Angeles; and the University of California, San Diego. Dr Bredesen directed the Program on Aging at the Burnham Institute before coming to the Buck Institute in 1998 as its founding president and CEO.

Dale E. Bredesen, md: Reversing Cognitive Decline Oct 2015

Reversal of cognitive decline: A novel therapeutic program 9-27-2014

Metabolic profiling distinguishes three subtypes of Alzheimer's disease. 8-7-2015

Alternative Medicine? Time will tell. No one benefits ($$$$) from his ReCODE (reversal of cognitive decline) (formerly MEND) treatment except those he treats, and those who's Alzheimer's is stopped, and most times improved. There is no 100 percent success, but he has many successes.

Chapter 2 of his book is titled (with this quote below it)

PATIENT ZERO
Everyone knows a cancer survivor; no one knows an Alzheimer's survivor.

Then he starts telling you about Kristin, his first Alzheimer's patient where his ReCODE protocol (reversal of cognitive decline) cured her.

Patients with verified Alzheimer's, who have no where to turn, as all doctors tell them there is no effective drug treatments, no hope.

Now there is hope.
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Old 06-02-2018, 02:06 PM
 
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What happen to critical thought? If he truly had the cure for Alzheimer's, don't you think it would be in every scientific journal, and on every news media outlet in the world?
Every scientific journal? The people who brought us the low fat / high carb food pyramid dogma that has skyrocketed obesity and diabetes and heart disease and Alzheimer's (now called type 3 diabetes) and on and on and on. Look at a graph for the rapid rise in diabetes or obesity (it's now called diabesity) and it corresponds / starts with the McGovern 1977 Dietary Guidelines where the low fat / high carb standard American diet (yes, SAD) started.

The Corruption of Evidence Based Medicine – Killing for Profit 4-9-2018

So here’s a damning list of all the problems of EBM (evidence based medicine)
  1. Selective Publication
  2. Rigged outcomes
  3. Advertorials
  4. Reprint Revenues
  5. Bribery of Journal Editors
  6. Publication Bias
  7. Financial Conflicts of Interests
When the evidence base of medicine is bought and paid for, people die. Unfortunately, doctors and universities have been willing participants in this game of killing for profit. We need to end it now. End the corruption of the universities. Stop the bribery of doctors. Stay tuned, the non-profit Public Health Collaboration, currently based in the UK, but soon encompassing Canada, Ireland, USA, and Australia is gearing up to tackle this issue of corruption in medical science.

Dr. Jason Fung
Medical Director & Co-Founder

Dr. Fung is a Toronto based kidney specialist, having graduated from the University of Toronto and finishing his medical specialty at the University of California, Los Angeles in 2001. He is the author of the bestsellers ‘The Obesity Code’ and ‘The Complete Guide to Fasting’. He has pioneered the use of therapeutic fasting for weight loss and type 2 diabetes reversal in his IDM clinic.
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Old 06-02-2018, 02:16 PM
 
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The corruption of academic medicine 7-27-2017
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