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Old 08-20-2014, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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Actually, YES really!

If you are talking about immigration from Spain to the United States, no!

Spanish American - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

At one time, there was a Spanish neighborhood in New York City.

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Old 08-23-2014, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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A number of Spanish people moved to Tampa, Florida in the late 1800s to work in the cigar industry.

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Old 08-24-2014, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Sandpoint, Idaho
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Hard to believe the numbers were so high.

I would look at early 16th and 17th century figures and then apply a population growth rate model that uses high birth rates since back then such was la mode. I think you will find that almost all pop growth was internal.

The Spanish did not emigrate in the numbers as other immigrants (Italians, Germans, Jews).

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Old 08-24-2014, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Sanjo, Califas.
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Just put this way, "Gachupines" are moving wherever they can, and they should be allowed to, because they should have a chance to make a living wherever they wish to.
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Old 08-25-2014, 12:42 AM
 
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Hard to believe the numbers were so high.

I would look at early 16th and 17th century figures and then apply a population growth rate model that uses high birth rates since back then such was la mode. I think you will find that almost all pop growth was internal.

The Spanish did not emigrate in the numbers as other immigrants (Italians, Germans, Jews).

S.
Many of the Jews up until the early 20th Century that came to the USA & the Americas were of Sephardi Jewish descent (Jews with ancient Spanish/Portuguese roots)
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Old 08-26-2014, 11:16 AM
 
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Many of the Jews up until the early 20th Century that came to the USA & the Americas were of Sephardi Jewish descent (Jews with ancient Spanish/Portuguese roots)
Most American Jews are Ashkenazi and from central and eastern europe.
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Old 08-26-2014, 05:47 PM
 
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Most American Jews are Ashkenazi and from central and eastern europe.
That's debatable, although you are missing the overall point I am trying to make. Since the very beginning of the colonial new world up until the 20th century most Jews had been of Sephardic Jewish background. These are/were Jews of Spanish-Portuguese descent.

Today though of course many have attached Jewishness to the Ashkenazi descent narrative but it was not always that way historically in the USA or the rest of the Western Hemisphere.

Ashkenazim became much more larger numerically in the 20th century.

Many of the conquistadores were Crypto Sephardi Jews and kept mutual ties & trade links between Sephardi Jews & other Jews in other colonies.
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Old 08-26-2014, 05:51 PM
 
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Spanish immigration to all of the Americas (North and South).

The statement below that I read in a report is discouraging.

Data on gross migration flows in Spain are neither abundant nor extending long into the past. Historically, information on migration flows was limited to statistics drawn from registers of passengers that leave the country by ship and airplane, or from information of bilateral official programs of organized emigration to Europe. This is the reason why most of the studies on
Spanish emigration used information from destination countries.
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We have fairly good estimates of the population of British North America before the first US census in 1790. Roughly a million immigrants (1607-1790) were the basis of the 4 million population. Of course there was not the large numbers of mixed population with European and native American.

AREA- IMMIGRANTS-POPULATION IN 1790
Africa 360,000 757,000
British total 425,500 2,560,000
Total 950,000 3,900,000
Immigrants from Other countries 164,500
Spanish immigration has been gradual & large & significant. I'm not sure why people overlook this.

Something else to consider is that people that have immigrated at times may have came illegally sometimes or were not documented or were listed as nationalities or backgrounds other than what they actually were.

The Deep South has various Spanish descent communities descended from colonial era arriving Spaniards, for example from groups like the Canarians/Canarios/Isleños.
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Old 08-27-2014, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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The vast majority of Spaniards who emigrated from that country went to their former colonies in Latin America. Relatively few emigrated directly to the United States. The Mexican-American actor Ricardo Montalban's parents were emigrants from Spain.

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Old 08-27-2014, 11:42 AM
 
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Most arrived when the US did not exist.
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