Sarah Palin pal'in around with McCain. (Phoenix: crimes, schools, cost)

[captaincatfish]

Originally Posted by MICHAEL J

The crowds that Sarah attracted during the campaign were many times larger than McCain attracted and she energized the Republican party like he never had up to that point. Obviously, you've been drinking the liberal Kool-Aid so why are you even commenting on Sarah Palin campaigning for John McCain? By the way... there are no illegitimate babies (look it up). There are only babies that are given the chance at life and those that are not.

Number one...he commented on the issue because, like so many others here (wait for it) HE FELT LIKE IT!!!...I swear, it's getting so people are just lining up to think they can tell everyone else what to do...he saw the thread, he had an opinion, and he posted it, because he bloody-well felt like it---same as you...

Number two...people really need to quit this juvenile practice of labeling anyone who doesn't agree with their platform a 'liberal left-winger' or a 'conservative right-winger'...at the end of the day, political affiliation BS aside, we are ALL citizens of the same country, who happen to have differences of opinion...Kool-Aid is a refreshing summer beverage, not some smarmy, snarky reference to your disdain for someone else's opinion

[MICHAEL J]

Originally Posted by nickw252

I'm not sure what you misunderstood about my post but nowhere was there anything about abortion. I will try to explain it a little more clearly here.

An illegitimate baby is one that was born to parents who are not married.

Sarah Palin has a 17 year old daughter named Bristol.

Bristol Palin is/was not married.

During the presidential campaign, Palin's 17 year old daughter, Bristol Palin, was pregnant.

The father was not Bristol's husband.

Therefore, Bristol Palin's baby was illegitimate.

If Palin is going to champion "family values," religion, abstinence, and social conservatism, she should live by those rules.

Here is some further reading if you are interested:

Illegitimate - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimacy_(law)

Illegitimate | Definition of Illegitimate at Dictionary.com:

These are not rules, these are values or perhaps ideals, but certainly not "rules". When you say "she" should live by these rules, are you refering to Sarah or Bristol? Sarah did not have a baby outside of marriage.

[MICHAEL J]

Originally Posted by captaincatfish

Number one...he commented on the issue because, like so many others here (wait for it) HE FELT LIKE IT!!!...I swear, it's getting so people are just lining up to think they can tell everyone else what to do...he saw the thread, he had an opinion, and he posted it, because he bloody-well felt like it---same as you...

Number two...people really need to quit this juvenile practice of labeling anyone who doesn't agree with their platform a 'liberal left-winger' or a 'conservative right-winger'...at the end of the day, political affiliation BS aside, we are ALL citizens of the same country, who happen to have differences of opinion...Kool-Aid is a refreshing summer beverage, not some smarmy, snarky reference to your disdain for someone else's opinion

The reason I assumed he was a liberal "Kool-Aid" drinker was his use of the derogatory term "teabagger". This was a term originally begun in the liberal main stream media and then ran ramant through the liberal blogs and liberal media in an effort to disparage the tea party movement. I've not heard anyone other than the all inclusive, all tolerant liberals use that term. If in fact he is not a liberal, then I apologize.

[Juram]

Originally Posted by nickw252

I don't think she legitimized anything. She was a public relations disaster with her utter lack of knowledge in foreign affairs (I can see Russia), her lack of ability to interview (Katie Couric... oooh the big scarry liberal media is out to get me), her lack of social credibility (big social conservative but her teenage daughter had an illegitimate baby), her lack of political credibility (mayor of wasilla, then governor for a very short time with multiple ethics complaints), etc.

I know the teabaggers disagree with many of the issues of the Republicans and Democrats but why don't they get a credible, experienced, and smart person to represent them like Ron Paul.

Just wondering......why are you quoting Tina Fey when discussing Sarah Palin?

her lack of political credibility (mayor of wasilla, then governor for a very short time with multiple ethics complaints), etc.

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Also out of all those ethics complaints, how many exactly was Palin found guilty of? There were over 18, and almost every single one was filed by the same woman, who coincidentally enough, voted for the other guy, shocking right?

[dano]

In reading these posts it would appear Arizona has taken a left since I lived there some 20 years ago. If I recall correctly, Macain ended up with Barry Goldwater's senate seat back in the early '80s. For those of you who don't know who Goldwater is, you should do some research. As far as I'm concerned, he is the father of the current libertarian-like tea party movement. (He must be rolling around in his grave with all those traffic cameras)

My take on the MaCain/Palin second matchup is due to the fact that MaCain will have a tough fight against Hayworth who will get most of the votes simpathetic to the movement. Palin should counter-act that to some degree. As for my opinion, it is time for the old man to go along with most of all the other old men in Congress. I believe we will have a significant changing-of-the-guard come November with winning candidates having platforms very similar to what the tea party movement is espousing. Mod Cut Off topic

[MICHAEL J]

Originally Posted by dano

In reading these posts it would appear Arizona has taken a left since I lived there some 20 years ago. If I recall correctly, Macain ended up with Barry Goldwater's senate seat back in the early '80s. For those of you who don't know who Goldwater is, you should do some research. As far as I'm concerned, he is the father of the current libertarian-like tea party movement. (He must be rolling around in his grave with all those traffic cameras)

My take on the MaCain/Palin second matchup is due to the fact that MaCain will have a tough fight against Hayworth who will get most of the votes simpathetic to the movement. Palin should counter-act that to some degree. As for my opinion, it is time for the old man to go along with most of all the other old men in Congress. I believe we will have a significant changing-of-the-guard come November with winning candidates having platforms very similar to what the tea party movement is espousing. Once this happens, as happend back in '94 when Clinton was trying to take us over the European Socialist cliff, we will also stop Obama from inflicting any more damage on our country. Now I know alot of you Prious drivers out there are not going to like it, but it will happen, mark my words.

I think you are correct about Arizona taking a left and that is unfortunate. I moved my business to AZ many years ago because the state I lived in at the time had also made a slow turn left and become just too difficult to do business in... high taxes, red tape, etc. Arizona was attractive because of conservatisim and its business friendly atmosphere. After moving my business to AZ I acquired two other businesses. However, with this slow left turn it is now becoming more and more difficult to do business in AZ. As an example, my unemployment insurance just took a 360 percent increase. I sign the front of paychecks every week. I am the lowest paid employee, in truth I very seldom take a paycheck. Taxes are increasing, more layoffs are on the horizon. Sadly, most folks making the rules in government have never owned or run a business, much less started a business from scratch, on a shoestring so to speak. They continue to raise taxes, continue to set up road blocks and wonder why we are not hiring. They just don't get it.

[captaincatfish]

Originally Posted by dano

In reading these posts it would appear Arizona has taken a left since I lived there some 20 years ago. If I recall correctly, Macain ended up with Barry Goldwater's senate seat back in the early '80s. For those of you who don't know who Goldwater is, you should do some research. As far as I'm concerned, he is the father of the current libertarian-like tea party movement. (He must be rolling around in his grave with all those traffic cameras)

My take on the MaCain/Palin second matchup is due to the fact that MaCain will have a tough fight against Hayworth who will get most of the votes simpathetic to the movement. Palin should counter-act that to some degree. As for my opinion, it is time for the old man to go along with most of all the other old men in Congress. I believe we will have a significant changing-of-the-guard come November with winning candidates having platforms very similar to what the tea party movement is espousing. Mod Cut: Off topic.

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Stop trying to paint everyone whose opinion and politics differ from yours with the 'broad brush' of stereotyping...I, for one, doubt seriously whether the Tea Party folks are going to ride, trumpets blaring and flags waving, to the 'rescue' in November, and I'm also sick of being labeled something I'm not because I dare to have an opinion counter to yours...I don't drive a Prius---I drive an '03 Dodge Intrepid with about 130,000 miles on it...and I get up and go to work to support my family EVERY DAY, just like you do...Mod Cut: Off topic

[dano]

[quote=captaincatfish;12833335]Orphaned quote
Stop trying to paint everyone whose opinion and politics differ from yours with the 'broad brush' of stereotyping...I, for one, doubt seriously whether the Tea Party folks are going to ride, trumpets blaring and flags waving, to the 'rescue' in November, and I'm also sick of being labeled something I'm not because I dare to have an opinion counter to yours...I don't drive a Prius---I drive an '03 Dodge Intrepid with about 130,000 miles on it...and I get up and go to work to support my family EVERY DAY, just like you do...Orphaned quote /quote]

My apology if I have missrepresented you in any way Captain. Mod Cut: Off topic

[KarmaPhx]

Supporting her was the worst possible choice for McCain, he lost any respect I still had for him.

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[Grannysroost]

Back on topic please...