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Old 03-14-2011, 06:53 PM
 
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^ I second this. Thanks Tiger Beer... and stay safe.
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Old 03-14-2011, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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Default Nuclear Implosion Iminent - MSNBC, NY Times

A new explosion has hit the Japanese reactor. Employees have been ordered to leave. The plant if reportedly in full meltdown.
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Old 03-14-2011, 09:28 PM
 
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Before the latest issue with the nuclear power plant in Fukushima, SPEEDI was reporting nearly 3,000 nGy per hour being read by local Geiger counters. To compare, normal background radiation from the Earth and cosmic radiation is only around 80. With the latest issue with the nuke plant, expect radiation levels to go even higher.

With prevailing winds going towards Tokyo, Naoto Kan has said that within 5-10 hours radioactive particles and soot from the blasts could reach Tokyo.

And, given the prevailing winds and direction of water flow, we can expect radioactive material to reach the west coast of the US within a week, and within 3 days to Hawaii.

While you may be in Niigata, Tiger Beer, with the mountains on your side, I would caution against traveling east. And, the Daily Yomiuri has said that winds are going to be moving westerly, so BE CAREFUL. Always rely on data, and not what MiniTrue is giving you.
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Old 03-14-2011, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Macao
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While you may be in Niigata, Tiger Beer, with the mountains on your side, I would caution against traveling east. And, the Daily Yomiuri has said that winds are going to be moving westerly, so BE CAREFUL. Always rely on data, and not what MiniTrue is giving you.
If you know any websites with information about the wind directions, I would be greatly appreciative.

Things are changing fast here. We were advised to not let kids play outside at this time.

Additionally, food supplies are going faster today. Whereas yesterday it seemed okay, today they seem to be getting more and more picked clean. A friend of mine in Tokyo said that we must be a day behind him, as that started yesterday in Tokyo. His wife/son flew to Seoul today. He's staying behind. Since they stocked up food for the family, and he has extra, he is giving some to people nearby who are of short supply.

I think we're starting to see signs of a small panic. Not sure what to think today.

Additionally, I heard that Niigata should be prepared for rolling blackouts. So, that is an additional concern - i.e. lack of information.
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Old 03-14-2011, 09:56 PM
 
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Before the latest issue with the nuclear power plant in Fukushima, SPEEDI was reporting nearly 3,000 nGy per hour being read by local Geiger counters. To compare, normal background radiation from the Earth and cosmic radiation is only around 80. With the latest issue with the nuke plant, expect radiation levels to go even higher.

With prevailing winds going towards Tokyo, Naoto Kan has said that within 5-10 hours radioactive particles and soot from the blasts could reach Tokyo.

And, given the prevailing winds and direction of water flow, we can expect radioactive material to reach the west coast of the US within a week, and within 3 days to Hawaii.

While you may be in Niigata, Tiger Beer, with the mountains on your side, I would caution against traveling east. And, the Daily Yomiuri has said that winds are going to be moving westerly, so BE CAREFUL. Always rely on data, and not what MiniTrue is giving you.
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Old 03-14-2011, 10:01 PM
 
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If you know any websites with information about the wind directions, I would be greatly appreciative.
http://www.jma.go.jp/en/amedas/207.html?elementCode=1 is English version. Choose Hokuriku (West) or Tohoku (South).

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Old 03-14-2011, 10:54 PM
 
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At about noon there was a spike in a Geiger counter reading in Tokyo.

http://park18.wakwak.com/~weather/geiger_index.html

That provides a realtime JPG of radiation levels. Normal exposure is ~15 Counts per Minute (CPM). When the fourth explosion happened at the Fukushima plant, there was a spike to nearly 90 CPM. So, if you live in Tokyo, you probably already got a healthy dose of radiation probably the same as a x-ray.

If you are west of the mountains you probably didn't see any, Tiger Beer, due to the mountains.

And thanks for the great link Ryuji! That should show you where the radioactive material will be carried. Just a note: the French embassy has warned French citizens to stay indoors for the time being. Low-level radioactive wind may reach Tokyo in 10 hours: France - World - DNA

Of course, as it goes up into the atmosphere, it will likely be swept to the south and east along the jet stream, but it likely won't go that high unless we get a major nuclear event, like the fuel rods melt together, fuse, and escape the containment vessels.

There's already some indication that the fuel rods are now exposed at the No. 4 reactor, but it is minimal (at this point).

Methinks the Japanese government should make haste with the concrete and pour it over the plant. It's a goner anyway! That place won't be able to generate any power anymore. May as well encase it in a grave of concrete.
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Old 03-14-2011, 10:55 PM
 
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Even the journalists are moving out of the Fukushima plant area; that's telling. Japanese have now asked US for help with nuclear plant issue. Unit 2containment vessel is leaking and damaged, fire in Unit 4, and it's looking pretty bleak. C7F is off the coast to assist but must stay far off due to the high levels of radiation.

Might be time to make some evacuation plans as a precaution. If a larger evacuation is ordered, this could make travel that much more difficult.

Video Japan Quake And Tsunami: Plea For US Help After Third Explosion At Nuclear Plant | World News | Sky News
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Old 03-14-2011, 10:58 PM
 
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At about noon there was a spike in a Geiger counter reading in Tokyo.

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That provides a realtime JPG of radiation levels. Normal exposure is ~15 Counts per Minute (CPM). When the fourth explosion happened at the Fukushima plant, there was a spike to nearly 90 CPM. So, if you live in Tokyo, you probably already got a healthy dose of radiation probably the same as a x-ray.

If you are west of the mountains you probably didn't see any, Tiger Beer, due to the mountains.

And thanks for the great link Ryuji! That should show you where the radiation will be carried. Just a note: the French embassy has warned French citizens to stay indoors for the time being. Low-level radioactive wind may reach Tokyo in 10 hours: France - World - DNA

Of course, as it goes up into the atmosphere, it will likely be swept to the south and east along the jet stream, but it likely won't go that high unless we get a major nuclear event, like the fuel rods melt together, fuse, and escape the containment vessels.

There's already some indication that the fuel rods are now exposed at the No. 4 reactor, but it is minimal (at this point).

Methinks the Japanese government should make haste with the concrete and pour it over the plant. It's a goner anyway! That place won't be able to generate any power anymore. May as well encase it in a grave of concrete.
It's definitely a goner and now they have several fully exposed rods and containment vessel with a hole in it. Apparently even the sea water pumps are goners now - so that plan is toast. Concur the Japanese gov't needs to take full containment efforts now and forget trying to save the plants.
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Old 03-14-2011, 11:01 PM
 
Location: Dallas TX & AL Gulf Coast
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If you know any websites with information about the wind directions, I would be greatly appreciative.

Tiger Beer,

Sure hate to hear that things for you seem to be deteriorating, but these nuclear warnings do seem to have everyone on edge... that combined with the already dire events along the coast... appear to be merging into one heck of a mess for everyone there.

Here's our national weather site link... that I've linked to Japan's satellite weather movement pattern:

weather.com - Map Room - Satellite Map, Weather Map, Doppler Radar - Japan: Satellite

From what I understood from the TV reports today is that the weather wind patterns are rather stagnant over all of Japan until the cold front moves in which will change the wind to moving in an easterly direction towards the Pacific... then it again will be stagnant until the next cold front moves in during the latter part of the week which will again be moving east towards the Pacific. This, if holds true, would certainly be in your favor.

Other reports today have the news anchors moving out of the Sendai area to Tokyo because of the nuclear warnings.

Also, here are links to our major TV news stations here that are providing Japan coverage (with accompanying Japan news story links):


FoxNews.com - Breaking News

Msnbc.com - Breaking News

Japan PM: Radiation leaking from damaged plant - World news - Asia-Pacific - msnbc.com

ABCNews.com - Breaking News

Japan Earthquake: Radiation Leaking After Fukushima Nuclear Plant Explodes - ABC News

CBSNews.com - Breaking News

Japan nuke plant fire leads to spewing radiation - World Watch - CBS News
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If there's anything else you need from any of us... anything at all... just ask. We DO appreciate you keeping us informed... and we want to be there for you in any way we can as well!

Stay safe, my friend -- our thoughts and prayers are with you all!

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