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Yes, I'm angry. I'm angry that children worldwide are being indoctrinated with toxic religious beliefs. No, not all religious beliefs are necessarily harmful, but many are. And there's really nothing I can do to stop it. So yes, I am angry.
Anyone else feel the same way? How should I cope?
Yes you are, Freak, so much so that even the less obtrusive of us with faith have become your enemy. Personally, I began to look at folks I was taught were my enemies---atheists and agnostics---to "logically" find areas I really agreed with them on, and build in my own mind the importance of the agreements as opposed to the differences.
I wish I could do that with fundamentalists because we probably agree in many areas. But all of them are hung up on those areas where we have differences and ignore the areas where we have much in common--and that often angers me. They too are angry. But that is THE primary characteristic of fundamentalism. In that respect, as one of their prime characteristics, you are probably more like them than I am.
Because you and I appear to have no common areas, that is why I decline in engaging you in debate.
Kudos to you for recognizing the problem. Introspection is one of my primary beliefs (as well as empathy), and perhaps we DO have that in common.
Yes you are, Freak, so much so that even the less obtrusive of us with faith have become your enemy. Personally, I began to look at folks I was taught were my enemies---atheists and agnostics---to "logically" find areas I really agreed with them on, and build in my own mind the importance of the agreements as opposed to the differences.
I wish I could do that with fundamentalists because we probably agree in many areas. But all of them are hung up on those areas where we have differences and ignore the areas where we have much in common--and that often angers me. They too are angry. But that is THE primary characteristic of fundamentalism. In that respect, as one of their prime characteristics, you are probably more like them than I am.
Because you and I appear to have no common areas, that is why I decline in engaging you in debate.
Kudos to you for recognizing the problem. Introspection is one of my primary beliefs (as well as empathy), and perhaps we DO have that in common.
I don't debate meatballs until they know they are meatballs.
Then we can talk.
Yes, I'm angry. I'm angry that children worldwide are being indoctrinated with toxic religious beliefs. No, not all religious beliefs are necessarily harmful, but many are. And there's really nothing I can do to stop it. So yes, I am angry.
Anyone else feel the same way? How should I cope?
Cope by doing good.
Your parents did a number on you Freak. You can't change the past. You can't change what people believe. You CAN change how you react to it. Use the anger and channel it into something positive. Take religion out of the equation and I'd guess your parents would have found something else to go overboard on. The people who become extremists have personalities that lend to it.
Volunteer as a mentor, a coach, a teacher. There are a TON of kids with parents who fail them and raise kids who become angry adults. Find a way to help those kids.
I don't debate meatballs until they know they are meatballs.
Then we can talk.
Freak is no meatball. He's a man who has been hurt by religion and chose a different way to handle it than some of us. On the other hand, perhaps you are thinking of me. If so, that moves me up from what some have called me--- right here on CD, too. thanks!
I think you may have misunderstood where Arach was coming from.
I think he was referring to the adage about a wise man is one who knows he knows nothing. And he includes himself in that category.
In other words, I think he was somewhat cheekily saying he'll only debate those who, like himself, realize they're meatballs.
Or something.
It's late. The moon is lovely, both in the sky and reflecting in the water. And the tree frogs are singing their hearts out.
Ah . . . must be my Senioritis, then. Thanks, Trout. It sounds absolutely lovely there. I have seen the pictures and am very jealous.
I think you may have misunderstood where Arach was coming from.
I think he was referring to the adage about a wise man is one who knows he knows nothing. And he includes himself in that category.
In other words, I think he was somewhat cheekily saying he'll only debate those who, like himself, realize they're meatballs.
Or something.
It's late. The moon is lovely, both in the sky and reflecting in the water. And the tree frogs are singing their hearts out.
yup, that's it exactly. If we are honest about ourselves then we can begin to describe things around us a little better. If we can define our point in a field we then can begin to describe the field in more detail. Knowing full well that we don't know it all.
Mystic: The meatball thing was just having fun with a serious topic. My bad, I can't make it clearer in forums. I mean even typing the word makes me laugh "meatball", it's a funny word, besides, screw the massager, he's a jerk. but list in your words what he said. I did it to you, trout, arg, mort and many other ya know. Cause I aint the only hubristic one here. I list the facts that people say. Then agree or disagree with them solely on those facts. I aint to intrested in what they think they are until they prove it.
Ah . . . must be my Senioritis, then. Thanks, Trout. It sounds absolutely lovely there. I have seen the pictures and am very jealous.
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Originally Posted by Arach Angle
yup, that's it exactly. If we are honest about ourselves then we can begin to describe things around us a little better. If we can define our point in a field we then can begin to describe the field in more detail. Knowing full well that we don't know it all.
Mystic: The meatball thing was just having fun with a serious topic. My bad, I can't make it clearer in forums. I mean even typing the word makes me laugh "meatball", it's a funny word, besides, screw the massager, he's a jerk. but list in your words what he said. I did it to you, trout, arg, mort and many other ya know. Cause I aint the only hubristic one here. I list the facts that people say. Then agree or disagree with them solely on those facts. I aint to intrested in what they think they are until they prove it.
Yes, I'm angry. I'm angry that children worldwide are being indoctrinated with toxic religious beliefs. No, not all religious beliefs are necessarily harmful, but many are. And there's really nothing I can do to stop it. So yes, I am angry.
Anyone else feel the same way? How should I cope?
If people aren't having children to get on welfare, they are having children to brain wash them, usually for religious purposes. This increases the church population.
Atheism is increasing, and it will continue to increase. Unfortunately, they will always be battling religion. The hatred that religion spreads will not go away.
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Thanks, Trout. It sounds absolutely lovely there. I have seen the pictures and am very jealous.
Me Too:
Unfortunately, they will always be battling religion. 
The hatred that religion spreads will not go away.
