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Old 11-25-2018, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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He would have had to have concluded a number of things:
1. God had selected him for this mission
2. He was informed that he was forbidden to go because he represented a possible mortal health threat to the tribe, so he must have decided that Jesus would protect them from his germs, or Jesus would make him germ free or such.
3. That god would stay the tribe's hand and keep him alive.
4. That despite the odds, god would see him through a successful conversion of the tribe.

Being able to communicate would have been one more wishful thinking assumption.
Perhaps he was willing to be a martyr in the fight against Satan (which he mentioned in his diary).
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Old 11-25-2018, 05:56 PM
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One must realize that for the first 1500 years of Christianity, the Bible was not considered to be the inerrant final authority that the Protestant world has tried to turn it into. The Bible still wasn't widely available until even more recently.
That does not mean it doesn't contain Truth. It also doesn't imply that the Scripture is somehow unimportant to older, more traditional churches. It contains the Gospel as well as historical stories that pertain to the overall narrative.
It was and is considered to be part of God's revelation to mankind, but not the only revelation and certainly not authoritative in and of itself.
The authority rested in the Church. The community. The collective memory of the faith within that community is what they used to decided on what books were worthy of being in the Bible and which ones weren't.
In the west, things played out a bit differently as far as authority goes.
To understand the Bible, one must get to know the community it came out of. Otherwise, you have people trying to handle snakes, promote worldy prosperity, justify slavery, and start whole new churches based on half a verse in Acts.
Personally, I think the way evangelism is carried out (especially in the Protestant realm) is usually well-intentioned but also misguided.
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Old 11-25-2018, 06:16 PM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Perhaps he was willing to be a martyr in the fight against Satan (which he mentioned in his diary).
If so it is even more important that attempts to make the arrogance, disregard of everything but his own ego and the insolence of religion wring some undeserved credit out of this debacle by making him into some Martyr be stomped on, but the ongoing missionary gatecrashing program should be hung out to dry for this crime against humanity which fortunately was foiled by the locals who (for whatever reason) were not going to fall for the glass beads and Bible -readings line. This should be added to the list of things that Religion would prefer no to have brought up, not a jewel in the crown of the martyrs. Don't let 'em pull that propaganda trick.
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Old 11-25-2018, 06:17 PM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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One must realize that for the first 1500 years of Christianity, the Bible was not considered to be the inerrant final authority that the Protestant world has tried to turn it into. The Bible still wasn't widely available until even more recently.
That does not mean it doesn't contain Truth. It also doesn't imply that the Scripture is somehow unimportant to older, more traditional churches. It contains the Gospel as well as historical stories that pertain to the overall narrative.
It was and is considered to be part of God's revelation to mankind, but not the only revelation and certainly not authoritative in and of itself.
The authority rested in the Church. The community. The collective memory of the faith within that community is what they used to decided on what books were worthy of being in the Bible and which ones weren't.
In the west, things played out a bit differently as far as authority goes.
To understand the Bible, one must get to know the community it came out of. Otherwise, you have people trying to handle snakes, promote worldy prosperity, justify slavery, and start whole new churches based on half a verse in Acts.
Personally, I think the way evangelism is carried out (especially in the Protestant realm) is usually well-intentioned but also misguided.
This is relevant to topic how, please? No I get it. yes, we understand that Missionary activity - quite unlike The Jewish Ethos (though they were quite willing to conquer and convert Edom by force under the Hasmoneans) - in early Christianity made prosetylisation (1) and conversion supremely important. We get that. We also see (with a suspicious eye) how very effective a weapon it has been in the hands of the Muslims.

You could have saved yourself the trouble of trying to sell us the Bible, NT or Old. We have seen enough to know that it is a crock, cover to cover.

(1) neither I, nor Spellcheck, even know how to spell that.
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Old 11-25-2018, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Perhaps he was willing to be a martyr in the fight against Satan (which he mentioned in his diary).
All I can say is his particular flavor of Christianity must be the wrong one. Surely if he had god on his side he would have prevailed.
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Old 11-25-2018, 07:48 PM
 
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All I can say is his particular flavor of Christianity must be the wrong one. Surely if he had god on his side he would have prevailed.
Ah. But he put God to the test. Always a catch 22 excuse when Trusting in the Lord goes pear -shaped.
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Old 11-25-2018, 11:15 PM
 
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He was off his nut. He knew about them, he left a note saying if he died not to retrieve his body. He also knew he could possibly be spreading more than the word of God. He went there despite the fact that he could possibly kill them off.

They protected themselves and he knew that could happen but was willing to die spreading what he considered the best news ever! He should have spent the weekend skydiving instead, better odds of living through that.
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Old 11-26-2018, 12:17 AM
 
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He was off his nut. He knew about them, he left a note saying if he died not to retrieve his body. He also knew he could possibly be spreading more than the word of God. He went there despite the fact that he could possibly kill them off.

They protected themselves and he knew that could happen but was willing to die spreading what he considered the best news ever! He should have spent the weekend skydiving instead, better odds of living through that.
What was the guy's name again? Time to see what the World is saying (Probably "What? Who?" while watching backed up recordings of Big Brother, Get me out of here and The Apprentice) and whether his Nomination, not only for a for a Darwin award but for a podium in the Theistic hall of Shame has been put forward.
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Old 11-26-2018, 08:06 AM
 
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What was the guy's name again? Time to see what the World is saying (Probably "What? Who?" while watching backed up recordings of Big Brother, Get me out of here and The Apprentice) and whether his Nomination, not only for a for a Darwin award but for a podium in the Theistic hall of Shame has been put forward.
He was an adventurer and a missionary.

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-46293221



John Allen Chau: The US man killed by a remote tribe on India's Andaman and Nicobar islands this week reportedly wanted to be an explorer.

John Allen Chau was shot with bows and arrows as he landed on North Sentinel island, which is forbidden to outsiders, say local fishermen.

According to local officials, the 27-year-old was a Christian missionary.

But on social media and in an interview attributed to him, Chau presented himself as an adventurer.

"I love to explore," he told the Outbound Collective four years ago.

"So whether it's trekking through dense old growth forests near the Chilliwack River [on the US-Canada border], finding a rumoured waterfall in the jungles of the Andamans, or just wandering around a city to get a feel for the vibes, I'm an explorer at heart."

American 'killed by arrow-wielding tribe'
According to reports, Chau was killed by Sentinelese tribal people after he bribed fishermen to take him to the island illegally.
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Old 11-26-2018, 08:59 AM
 
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My theory, FWIW, is that he had the mental age of a child. If it hadn't been religion it would have been something else. He perhaps had the misfortune not to have been mentored or guided by folks who would have provided him with much better models. Happenstance and chance is not somebody's fault.

In general, or at least in my observation, most Asian kids have better guidance. Mom and dad screwed up.

Oops: looks by T's link to the Darwin Awards that kid was accepted by parents, as a missionary. They're as bad as he is. Geeze.

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