02-07-2019, 09:44 PM
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There is a lot of back and forth going on here & it's interesting to note the details in the discussion & points of view. As has been mentioned here already, this is not the first time in fairly recent history that Chicago O'Hare has captured the "world's busiest" label in terms of the number of flight operations, and as happened the last time it took that title, there was much back and forth between Atlanta & Chicago civic boosters on the same flight operations & passenger volume points. What the final data will say, which is yet to be finalized apparently, much less what the data of next year reveal, well...who can say?what's now going on is akin to a case of the goal posts being moved in view of how the FLIGHT OPERATIONS aspect is now so heavily ballyhooed & promoted by boosters of O'Hare . Now that the passenger title is out of reach for O'Hare, Chicago boosters have moved the goal posts so as to crow about being busiest in FLIGHT OPERATIONS. It's just not as important a label or title as what was long used as the criteria for establishing the location of the "world's busiest airport". Changing the basis criteria for determining which is the "World's Busiest Airport" at this point in time seems more like cheating at the goal post.
I'm the only one boasting O'Hare's capture per the FAA. No one else .... Nothing is out of reach. Apparently you boast Hartsfield is untouchable ....
Chicago or any city's boasters .... cannot move the FAA's goalpost.
Kinda ridiculous. I only used current links again RELEASED Data TO THE MEDIA by the FAA and Title.
Fight with the FAA criteria. Again, if O'Hare completes its expansion nearing finalizing choosing 5-finalist designs for it. Then construction can begin. But years to complete. But it proves a older smaller limited to expansions airport.... can compete still.
It's still even adding direct routes even around the world as I noted.
No one should see Hartsfield as untouchable by any other airport ... not merely O'Hare. Delta s the 3rd carrier at O'Hare too. They also get additional gates in the new plan by getting another existing terminal. UNITED, AMERICAN and DELTA had to approve this expansion for O'Hare and ALL AGREE. Delta held out at first. It felt The other two got unfair advantage. But was convinced to agree. They after are paying for much of it in fees.
But O'Hare could loose the title next year? Has nothing to do with boasting on C-D or a common poster or even a city moving a government agency's goalpost. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Chicago's expansion Plans call for a "International GLOBAL Terminal that only a handful of cities in the World like Dubai and Hong Kong. currently have,
https://www.cntraveler.com/story/chi...expansion-plan
As it is going to compete. Either way ..... both airports are successful. O'Hare was just held beck for decades by neighborhood residents around it.
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02-09-2019, 06:54 AM
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Chicago and Atlanta rank high due to them both being strategic hubs but really L.A. is the busiest airspace in the world because of MULTIPLE air travel options - LAX, Long Beach, Burbank and Ontario airports. And if Chicago didn't have Midway where Southwest Airlines flies, O'Hare might actually surpass HJ in Atlanta. I remember way back in the 1990s, a study was done and recommended a second commercial airport be built in Gwinnett county but that municipality was all about NIMBY and blocked the airport. In hindsight, it was a BAD decision, both economically and from a convenience standpoint, given growth patterns in north Georgia. The BILLIONS of dollars in new infrastructure that would have been pumped into Gwinnett are lost forever!
02-09-2019, 03:19 PM
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Chicago and Atlanta rank high due to them both being strategic hubs but really L.A. is the busiest airspace in the world because of MULTIPLE air travel options - LAX, Long Beach, Burbank and Ontario airports. And if Chicago didn't have Midway where Southwest Airlines flies, O'Hare might actually surpass HJ in Atlanta. I remember way back in the 1990s, a study was done and recommended a second commercial airport be built in Gwinnett county but that municipality was all about NIMBY and blocked the airport. In hindsight, it was a BAD decision, both economically and from a convenience standpoint, given growth patterns in north Georgia. The BILLIONS of dollars in new infrastructure that would have been pumped into Gwinnett are lost forever!
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02-09-2019, 03:22 PM
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Atlanta needs to build a second airport at Dobbins.
02-10-2019, 08:22 AM
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Chicago and Atlanta rank high due to them both being strategic hubs but really L.A. is the busiest airspace in the world because of MULTIPLE air travel options - LAX, Long Beach, Burbank and Ontario airports. And if Chicago didn't have Midway where Southwest Airlines flies, O'Hare might actually surpass HJ in Atlanta. I remember way back in the 1990s, a study was done and recommended a second commercial airport be built in Gwinnett county but that municipality was all about NIMBY and blocked the airport. In hindsight, it was a BAD decision, both economically and from a convenience standpoint, given growth patterns in north Georgia. The BILLIONS of dollars in new infrastructure that would have been pumped into Gwinnett are lost forever!
Don't forget Palm Springs for the LA area. Many in the eastern part of the Inland Empire (Riverside/San Bernardino) use it. Handles over 2 million passengers annually and growing.
I don't know why ATL doesn't have a second airport in the northside. Is it to continue bragging rights? The metro population is more than large enough to support one.
02-10-2019, 08:29 AM
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I don't know why ATL doesn't have a second airport in the northside.
Delta
https://www.aircargonews.net/news/ai...agreement.html
And I don't get the obsession with having a 2nd airport. What's so bad about Hartsfield-Jackson?
02-10-2019, 08:32 AM
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And it can be expanded as needed probably never having obstacles to stop it. Super-costly to do a new one to be even smaller from scratch. Atlanta was sure-lucky it got Hartsfield and the foresight of its planners.
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Yeah I figured. And more for convenience. Why have a region of 6M+ all travel to one spot to fly out, especially if they live north of Buckhead (or even better...north of the Perimeter). I mean DFW has a more impressive layout the ATL with more room for growth, but there's still Love Field in Dallas and another airport in Fort Worth that'll start seeing some domestic flights very soon. Atlanta is the only metro of its size with just one airport and those approaching the size of Atlanta are building up their secondary airports (like Phoenix).
02-10-2019, 08:50 AM
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Yeah I figured. And more for convenience. Why have a region of 6M+ all travel to one spot to fly out, especially if they live north of Buckhead (or even better...north of the Perimeter). I mean DFW has a more impressive layout the ATL with more room for growth, but there's still Love Field in Dallas and another airport in Fort Worth that'll start seeing some domestic flights very soon. Atlanta is the only metro of its size with just one airport and those approaching the size of Atlanta are building up their secondary airports (like Phoenix).
A very costly convenience a decade probably planning to completion. Merely to supplement a airport that has no limits in expansions as some cities airports did .... or they merely kept their older smaller airports too.
In Conservative states more then not...... seems far more would want expressway expanding to more transit? Over a new smaller airport from scratch ...... while still spending billions in Hartsfield upgrades and expansions.... no?
Sure Atlanta could have it all. But think taxes taxes....
02-10-2019, 08:55 AM
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Yeah I figured. And more for convenience. Why have a region of 6M+ all travel to one spot to fly out, especially if they live north of Buckhead (or even better...north of the Perimeter).
With all due respect, the bolded sounds like a personal problem and minor inconvenience.
If you have to fly out of the airport frequently, you shouldn't live so far away from it.
And those developments are good for Dallas and Phoenix. But Atlanta's circumstances are different.
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People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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Kinda ridiculous. I only used current links again RELEASED Data TO THE MEDIA by the FAA and Title.
It's still even adding direct routes even around the world as I noted. 
