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Old 12-23-2011, 07:51 AM
 
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The Sun Belt's Migration Comeback: Good News for Metro Atlanta


The Sun Belt's Migration Comeback | Newgeography.com




I think this is good news for Metro Atlanta and something on which we could capitalize.


Keeping the area business and migration friendly, while also working hard to improve public transportation, increase parkland, and retrofit/re-build/re-use abandoned+under-utilized areas.


Enjoy the article!
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Old 12-23-2011, 08:37 AM
 
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Georgia still added 128,000 between April 1, 2010, and July 1, 2011 according to the census. The order was,

Texas (529,000), California (438,000), Florida (256,000), Georgia (128,000).

IMO size doesn't matter just look at California, I would rather gain a quality population than just be large off sheer numbers. If there is no migration and declining population and the economy is stellar than that's no problem IMO. Of course that usually doesn't happen and people are attracted to areas with strong economics (maybe besides Nebraska or some middle of nowhere place).
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Old 12-23-2011, 08:47 AM
 
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The problem I have with these analyses of domestic migration is that they don't take into account the quality of the migrants. Take a look at California's "Inland Empire." What good does having a ****-ton of new arrivals do your economy if a) a bunch of them are elderly, and b) only one in six new working-age arrivals has a college degree? (And that doesn't even touch on the problem of illegal immigration there.) Conversely, how is Pittsburgh shrinking but getting wealthier? Because those who have moved out are either elderly or have limited job skills, leaving behind a highly-educated, highly-skilled working-age population. (This process is still underway.) My money is on Pittsburgh over the Inland Empire in the future since Pittsburgh has more capacity to produce new wealth, as opposed to simply recycling old wealth. In the 21st Century, human capital will matter much, much more than just population.
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Old 12-23-2011, 08:51 AM
 
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Georgia still added 128,000 between April 1, 2010, and July 1, 2011 according to the census. The order was,

Texas (529,000), California (438,000), Florida (256,000), Georgia (128,000).

IMO size doesn't matter just look at California, I would rather gain a quality population than just be large off sheer numbers. If there is no migration and declining population and the economy is stellar than that's no problem IMO. Of course that usually doesn't happen and people are attracted to areas with strong economics (maybe besides Nebraska or some middle of nowhere place).
Where are you getting your numbers from because the article states only 17,700 people moved to GA between 2010-2011...
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Old 12-23-2011, 09:01 AM
 
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Where are you getting your numbers from because the article states only 17,700 people moved to GA between 2010-2011...
The big number is total growth, including net domestic migration, foreign immigration and net natural increase (births minus deaths).
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Old 12-23-2011, 09:02 AM
 
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Where are you getting your numbers from because the article states only 17,700 people moved to GA between 2010-2011...
Newsroom: Population: Texas Gains the Most in Population Since the Census


The 10 Fastest Growing States from April 1, 2010, to July 1, 2011
Percent change

1. District of Columbia 2.70
2. Texas 2.10
3. Utah 1.93
4. Alaska 1.76
5. Colorado 1.74
6. North Dakota 1.69
7. Washington 1.57
8. Arizona 1.42
9. Florida 1.36
10. Georgia 1.32

The 10 States with the Largest Numeric Increase from April 1, 2010, to July 1, 2011
Numeric change

1.Texas 529,000
2. California 438,000
3. Florida 256,000
4. Georgia 128,000
5. North Carolina 121,000
6. Washington 105,000
7. Virginia 96,000
8. Arizona 90,000
9. Colorado 88,000
10. New York 87,000
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Old 12-23-2011, 01:27 PM
 
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heh...neck and neck with North Carolina for the time being (although I see them passing us by next census)
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Old 12-23-2011, 01:56 PM
 
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I heard that Texas is experiencing a horrific drought killing off its vegetation like trees. I wonder if they can sustain its growth. Funny that they need those periodic hurricanes like India needs monsoons.

Texas drought kills as many as half a billion trees | Reuters
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Old 12-23-2011, 02:23 PM
 
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The Sun Belt's Migration Comeback: Good News for Metro Atlanta

The Sun Belt's Migration Comeback | Newgeography.com

I think this is good news for Metro Atlanta and something on which we could capitalize.

Keeping the area business and migration friendly, while also working hard to improve public transportation, increase parkland, and retrofit/re-build/re-use abandoned+under-utilized areas.
I think the message of the article is that the old model of suburbanization and low taxes is not yet dead. So don't look to government led urban planning.

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Despite the assumption that this group inevitably prefers dense, expensive cities, the 2010 Census showed people 25 to 34 moving primarily to Sun Belt cities such as Orlando, Tampa, Houston and Austin, as well as Raleigh, North Carolina.
Sprawl and affordability still rules. The message isn't "We aren't taxing ourselves enough".

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Aggressively pro-business governments in almost all Sun Belt states — with the exception of California — will enjoy better economic prospects as companies seek out lower-tax, less regulated environments.
Though I admit to taking some "schadenfreude" over Nevada. On another board, years ago, we had poster who went on and on about Las Vegas and how it is the model of economic success with its high pay and rising home values. They had been trying to diversify their economy but I guess ultimately it still is a "one trick pony".
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Old 12-23-2011, 02:45 PM
 
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I take anything Joel Kotkin authors with an enormous grain of salt.

While I don't think the Sunbelt is going to shrivel up and die, I think it's still way too early to call this a "comeback" since domestic migration nationwide is still at its lowest level in decades. Much to Kotkin's chagrin, the recession is forcing several Sunbelt metros to consider more sustainable patterns of growth and development, including expanding mass transit.
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