08-14-2013, 11:13 AM
Location: City of Atlanta
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Today, a story came out on Creative Loafing highlighting an op-ed by Benita Dodd of the Georgia Public Policy Foundation. Benita states that "[Road diets are] a nip here and a tuck there, but the insidious "livability" approach to transportation should worry commuters, given that metro Atlanta drivers are clamoring for congestion relief, not streetscapes, art or roadway reductions."
Free-market policy guru bemoans road diets | Atlanta News & Opinion Blog | Fresh Loaf | Creative Loafing Atlanta
Really?! Road diets are insidious? Taking away a lane of traffic on already wide roads (see Peachtree Center) for alternative modes of transportation is bad? I don't see it. Now, I want to be clear I'm not trying to start an ITP vs OTP thread here, but it really angers me when suburban commuters have such a LOUD say in everything Atlanta does.
Atlanta is creating road diets for its residents - creating bike lanes, wider sidewalks, pedestrian improvements - all things that makes quality of life in Atlanta (or any city) much better. Many Atlanta residents commuting into midtown or downtown can do so via bike, train, etc. - these road diets will only make that more commonplace. Suburban residents don't live here, they commute here. They don't pay city property taxes, they drive their cars from 30 miles away to work, and then they go home. STOP telling city residents what we should and should not be doing with our own money. I don't hear many ATL residents telling Marietta how to re-develop their town square, or having any kind of say in whether a train one day goes to Cobb County, so why do people in Marietta have to have a say in where I live, where I spend 24 hours of my everyday, and where I want to improve my quality of life?
I know I ranted a bit, but reading things like that is frustrating, because the city is moving forward, but sometimes I feel like our suburbs want to hold us back. I thought it would make for an interesting discussion, especially as Atlanta moves forward with millions of dollars in improvements for alternative modes of transportation this year.
08-14-2013, 11:28 AM
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Yea good post.
08-14-2013, 11:39 AM
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This is another example of why we should just make drivers pay for roads themselves and stop using tax money for it.
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08-14-2013, 11:42 AM
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Why does a resident of Cobb County care anything about what the City of Atlanta does within the city limits with its money?
08-14-2013, 11:43 AM
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... (along with all other user fees) cover
only 25% of the cost of roads in GA . My tax dollars pay for the remaining 75%.
08-14-2013, 12:02 PM
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Oh boy, another thread to bring out the worse in people. Not everyone has the same views in a metro and there almost always is a divide of some type between those that live in the city and those that don't, its not an Atlanta thing.
Someone in Cobb county is much more likely to care about what Atlanta does than vice versa. They probably identify with Atlanta as much as Cobb county and tell their friends who live in Texas they live in Atlanta, root for the same team etc. Lots of people I know live in the suburbs but call Atlanta home and attend things in the city all the time.
This is the beauty of a large metro with a big city as its center. We should want everyone to come and enjoy the city center, it makes it all the better and allows new attractions, teams, museums, PCM etc to happen.
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Why does a resident of Cobb County care anything about what the City of Atlanta does within the city limits with its money?
08-14-2013, 12:03 PM
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This stuff frustrates me. As someone that considers themselves very pro-free market, I am tired of right-wingers high jacking causes for their own interest in the name of the free market. I am sure they would love to have other tax payers continue to subsidize their commute, but a free-market think tank should be pushing for a 100% user fee funded public-private transportation network. Not complaining about what another municipality does. Ok, rant over.
08-14-2013, 12:03 PM
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Why does a resident of Cobb County care anything about what the City of Atlanta does within the city limits with its money?
Exactly. Most city residents couldn't give two ***** about what Cobb does with their money, and if we did, it wouldn't matter anyway. But people from outside of the city limits are always commenting on what the city does - think MARTA, road diets, the Beltline - really any major initiative the city wants to create. If you live in Marietta, fight for what you want in Marietta, but don't bring those ideals to Atlanta. If you care that much about what Atlanta does, then move to the city, and make you input count. I understand everybody has different points of view, and those should all be heard, but they should only be heard by people who pay for those initiatives. If you want to build a 6 lane road in Cobb County rather than expanding transit, feel free - personally, I won't like it, but I don't live there, so I don't have a say.
08-14-2013, 12:07 PM
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Oh boy, another thread to bring out the worse in people. Not everyone has the same views in a metro and there almost always is a divide of some type between those that live in the city and those that don't, its not an Atlanta thing.
I tried to make it clear this wasn't about OTP vs ITP, and the thread wasn't created to bring out the worst in people. Regardless of whether they identify with Atlanta, they don't live in Atlanta - they live in Cobb. I live in Atlanta, and I think my quality of life in my city is just as important as somebodies quality of life in Cobb - we choose where we live based on having certain ideals that are shared with our neighbors. I chose the city because I want more access to alternative transportation, while somebody who lives in Cobb might want more yard space or a bigger house. To each his own, but don't tell the city that I pay taxes to that we shouldn't create better quality of living for our residents because somebody from another city doesn't like it.
Everybody from around Atlanta should be welcomed to Atlanta - like you said, that's the beauty of the big city - culture, nightlife, etc. And in my view, if you want to visit, you are welcome - the more visitors, the better our economy. But as a visitor, you don't have a say in what the city does. If you want a say, move to said city.
08-14-2013, 12:08 PM
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Oh boy, another thread to bring out the worse in people. Not everyone has the same views in a metro and there almost always is a divide of some type between those that live in the city and those that don't, its not an Atlanta thing.
If she feels that strong about road diet than she can prevent them from her local community. Us in Atlanta want complete streets and our city gov't is answering the call.
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Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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