APS Educators Found Guilty and sent to Jail! Really? (houses, tenants)

[LovelySummer]

Or they could have just tried to be ethical and stand up for what they may have believed in. Some teachers did that. My husband has faced INTENSE pressure for the almost 20 years he has taught in APS. Each year he is held accountable to get the same performance as the kids the previous year - even though that is totally asinine bc it is a different set of kids. He doesn't cheat. He just complains, continues to freakin gray and works harder. Shocking concept. I know. He doesn't cheat. Shocking, I know.

Nobody makes anybody cheat. Cheaters cheat on their own as a conscious "solution" to the problem being faced. This can occur in any type of position because all jobs have unique pressures and things that just are not fair.

And what kind of role model for a classroom of students is a teacher that cheats? Good riddance I say. Of course, I also said where the heck did they get Beverly Hall and why the heck don't school have resources in the first place when we have millions for new stadiums next door to existing stadiums? That's probably the most twisted sick part of our entire country infrastructure.

Originally Posted by SAAN

Agreed they cant win either way, but its easier to get another job teaching after being fired than being locked up. They should have just did like everyone else and just take the easier punishment initially rather than fight it. In Amercia if you go to court for something you know you were wrong, the judge will throw you under the bus.

[ATL Golfer]

I would just like to say, again, that none of us would be having this conversation had they taken the deal.

They could have gone home. They landed themselves in jail. Not the judge, not the DA.

[jeoff]

Originally Posted by ATL Golfer

I would just like to say, again, that none of us would be having this conversation had they taken the deal.

They could have gone home. They landed themselves in jail. Not the judge, not the DA.

But, we *should* be having this conversation--even if they had taken the deal--even if they had been found innocent. For many, the system is broken, and the attempts at solution, are like the judge's righteous indignation --it may make someone feel like they are doing something, but really it's just a dance for show --ignoring many of the real problems.

[scatman]

An observation.....

The pressure to have the numbers in one's favor is one thing. Intimidation tactics; telling other teachers, as well as students, not to snitch on the cheating and cheaters, is another!

[bhammaster]

Originally Posted by LovelySummer

Or they could have just tried to be ethical and stand up for what they may have believed in. Some teachers did that. My husband has faced INTENSE pressure for the almost 20 years he has taught in APS. Each year he is held accountable to get the same performance as the kids the previous year - even though that is totally asinine bc it is a different set of kids. He doesn't cheat. He just complains, continues to freakin gray and works harder. Shocking concept. I know. He doesn't cheat. Shocking, I know.

Nobody makes anybody cheat. Cheaters cheat on their own as a conscious "solution" to the problem being faced. This can occur in any type of position because all jobs have unique pressures and things that just are not fair.

And what kind of role model for a classroom of students is a teacher that cheats? Good riddance I say. Of course, I also said where the heck did they get Beverly Hall and why the heck don't school have resources in the first place when we have millions for new stadiums next door to existing stadiums? That's probably the most twisted sick part of our entire country infrastructure.

The standards set were simply unrealistic given the background and home environment for the kids. Something would have had to give and when faced with socioeconomic realities there is only so much that could have been done.

A Middle-School Cheating Scandal - The New Yorker

[AnsleyPark]

Let's don't make excuses for these folks. They knowingly and intentionally committed a crime. That, of course, does not in any way diminish all of the environmental factors that influenced them to do so.

[bu2]

Originally Posted by jeoff

But, we *should* be having this conversation--even if they had taken the deal--even if they had been found innocent. For many, the system is broken, and the attempts at solution, are like the judge's righteous indignation --it may make someone feel like they are doing something, but really it's just a dance for show --ignoring many of the real problems.

Beverly Hall and her criminal minions were the biggest problem.

[Dkeating]

Originally Posted by AnsleyPark

Let's don't make excuses for these folks. They knowingly and intentionally committed a crime. That, of course, does not in any way diminish all of the environmental factors that influenced them to do so.

To some, discussing "all of the environmental factors that influenced them to do so" equals making excuses. I think it's relevant to a discussion of the fairness of the sentences.

[jeoff]

Originally Posted by bu2

Beverly Hall and her criminal minions were the biggest problem.

As far as cheating goes, yes--Hall and her minions used their power and influence to corrupt the corruptible, and that was a big problem.
But there were problems educating the disadvantaged before Hall, and after Hall--problems that testing cannot fix, problems that did not begin with the school, --- We have made a policy out of punishing the school and teachers for not being able to meet goals that are unachievable with the tools that are available --that is probably a bigger problem.

[Gulch]

Originally Posted by jeoff

As far as cheating goes, yes--Hall and her minions used their power and influence to corrupt the corruptible, and that was a big problem.
But there were problems educating the disadvantaged before Hall, and after Hall--problems that testing cannot fix, problems that did not begin with the school, --- We have made a policy out of punishing the school and teachers for not being able to meet goals that are unachievable with the tools that are available --that is probably a bigger problem.

So in your mind, what would have been a suitable punishment for these educators?