This can't happen by accident - Washington Post article about the housing recovery in Atlanta (Alpharetta: rental, good credit)

[Indentured Servant]

Originally Posted by hautemomma

Precisely. This is not about a correlate or extension of gentrification. Gentrification is based in part on the prediction that the community will "turn" (from black to white, poor to higher income, etc.). It is not about some select white folks moving in and the neighborhood remaining in stasis. Thus, it reminds me of what posters and people like Cq have said about being able to get in at the "right time," thereby presuming the current demographics (racial and economic) are just temporary until the desired mold takes hold.

Amen!

You have hit the nail on the head. The whole vision is to TURN these neighborhoods demographically and of course integration is a required phase to turning these communities, not the end goal. Contrarily, when blacks have integrated white communities, it was not to turn them, but rather to just live in them the way they were. When blacks start integrating in high percentages, whites start vacating by choice. In gentrification, when whites start integrating blacks vacate not by choice, but because they can no longer afford to live there.

[hautemomma]

Originally Posted by cqholt

Demand. People putting offers on homes, rising rents, etc. The rapid increase is not about race.

All of these factors have nothing to do with race? This is what you're standing behind?

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by Indentured Servant

Amen!

You have hit the nail on the head. The whole vision is to TURN these neighborhoods demographically and of course integration is a required phase to turning these communities, not the end goal. Contrarily, when blacks have integrated white communities, it was not to turn them, but rather to just live in them the way they were. When blacks start integrating in high percentages, whites start vacating by choice. In gentrification, when whites start integrating blacks vacate not by choice, but because they can no longer afford to live there.

Along with with white as well. Think of lower income whites that get priced out as well. It is more about SES, at that point. Rents go up and whites who depend on the cheap rent also get priced out.

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by hautemomma

All of these factors have nothing to do with race? This is what you're standing behind?

This is America, everything has to do with race, but I was referring to you questioning my comment about rapid increase. Look at what happened in the O4W, the value raised very fast, yet it has one of the largest concentrations of section 8 housing in the SE, where a majority of the residents are black.

[jsvh]

But aren't the problems this article cites about a lack of gentrification? How is gentrification the problem here?

The complaints are about whites shunning moving into the majority black neighborhood and value stagnating.

[Gulch]

Originally Posted by cqholt

This is America, everything has to do with race, but I was referring to you questioning my comment about rapid increase. Look at what happened in the O4W, the value raised very fast, yet it has one of the largest concentrations of section 8 housing in the SE, where a majority of the residents are black.

When Wingate eventually caves and sells off that housing stock, that'll change as well.

[hautemomma]

Originally Posted by jsvh

The complaints are about whites shunning moving into the majority black neighborhood and value stagnating.

This is all you got out of the article?

Here's a bit of formative background for you: The Case for Reparations by Ta-Nehisi Coates - The Atlantic

[hautemomma]

Originally Posted by cqholt

This is America, everything has to do with race, but I was referring to you questioning my comment about rapid increase. Look at what happened in the O4W, the value raised very fast, yet it has one of the largest concentrations of section 8 housing in the SE, where a majority of the residents are black.

Which factors correlated with the values rising "very fast"? From 2000 to 2010, the white population there doubled, and is likely even higher now, six years later.

You're positing that there is no association between rising costs and that demographic shift?

[jsvh]

Originally Posted by hautemomma

This is all you got out of the article?

Here's a bit of formative background for you: The Case for Reparations by Ta-Nehisi Coates - The Atlantic

I am not disagreeing that their have been many injustices done. But gentrification is not one of them. In fact, it is the opposite of many past injustices like Redlining, White Flight, Racial Steering, and what is happening in these South DeKalb neighborhoods.

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by hautemomma

Which factors correlated with the values rising "very fast"? From 2000 to 2010, the white population there doubled, and is likely even higher now, six years later.

You're positing that there is no association between rising costs and that demographic shift?

I would say the rising housing costs are due to demand for the area from people of all races, but mostly middle and above income levels.
Hell doubling of the white population means nothing if the raw numbers went from 50 to 100.