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Old 04-21-2017, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Blackistan
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Who exactly is the first lady?

 
Old 04-21-2017, 12:54 PM
 
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Yeah, it appears that this thread has gone completely off subject and into some other dimension. But this is a heated subject and discussions on heated subjects and hot issues like these often tend to take on a life of their own.



Stealing campaign signs (SMH)....Well I guess that everyone participates in the democratic process in their own way.

But arjay is right, this thing is going to get ugly (as evidenced by the dialogue on this thread).

As other observers have inferred, this runoff election between Democrat Jon Ossoff and Republican Karen Handel is most likely going to be the most expensive congressional race ever.

National money is going to pour into this runoff congressional race like money has never poured into a congressional race before in U.S. history.

In a more normal scenario, a Republican like former Fulton County Commission Chairman and former Georgia Secretary of State Karen Handel likely would have been the candidate to have won this special election going away without a runoff....Particularly with this congressional district typically being a Republican-dominated congressional district in which past GOP congressmen like Tom Price and Newt Gingrich have often won races by 20, 30, 40-plus points.

But obviously these are not normal times. Not unlike throughout many parts of the country, there obviously appears to be much dissatisfaction toward President Donald Trump in the early days of his administration in this typically GOP-dominated district, a factor which along with a seemingly unprecedented amount of national interest in a special election congressional race seems to be fueling an equally unprecedented amount of voter interest in an off-year special election congressional race like this.

Normally, in a two-way matchup with a Democrat like Jon Ossoff, a Republican like Karen Handel would be the overwhelmingly heavy favorite to win this race going away by about 20 points or more.

But in this current political environment of maximum national and local political interest and intense media coverage of a special election race like this, this congressional runoff race starts off as a 'Toss-up' between the Democrat Ossoff and the Republican Handel.

Even though he did not avoid a runoff, Jon Ossoff definitely seemed to significantly over-perform for the Democrats by earning 48.1 % of the vote and coming within two points of winning this special congressional election without a runoff after only polling in the high-30's and low-40's throughout much of the jungle primary.

It is suspected that while Donald Trump's late involvement in the primary (with his repeated tweets about the race) may have helped generate enough increased Republican turnout to help force a runoff, President Trump's late involvement in the race also potentially might have helped to generate increase turnout for the other side and potentially may have helped to push Ossoff much closer to the 50%-plus one mark then Ossoff might have been otherwise.

Trump's late tweets probably helped to increase turnout for Ossoff by drawing even more intense media attention to this race than it was already getting and motivating more anti-Trump voters to turnout than probably were already going to turnout.

With his current relatively low approval numbers for a new presidency, it is suspected that Trump's late interjection into the jungle primary potentially might have hurt the Republican Party more than it helped it.

And while Democrat Jon Ossoff may have posted a first-place finish in the jungle primary by nearly 30 points ahead of second-place finisher Republican Karen Handel, the runoff most likely will not so easy for Ossoff and the Democrats because all of the national money that is going to pour into this race from Republican-affiliated donors and PACs.

Meanwhile, Republicans obviously cannot expect to win this runoff race in the same manner that they typically have won races in the past in this traditionally Republican-dominated and Republican-tailored district.

Ossoff's performance (overperformance) in the jungle primary has emboldened national Democratic-affiliated and progressive donors and PACs who have been looking to flip a traditionally Republican/conservative-dominated Red-state Georgia into either a Virginia-style Democratic/progressive-dominated Purple state or a Maryland-style left-leaning dominated Blue state on the strength of Georgia's rapidly-changing racial and ethnic demographics in the Atlanta suburbs.

Not only will this special congressional race be much more challenging for Georgia Republicans than they have been in the past, but it appears to be increasingly likely that other high-profile races (including at the congressional, state legislative and statewide levels) likely may be much more challenging for Georgia Republicans than they might have been over the last 15 years or so.

Ossoff's robust performance for Democrats in a special congressional election to replace a fairly popular Republican congressman (Tom Price) in a congressional district that traditionally has been completely dominated by Republicans over the last nearly 40 years or so basically serves as a green light for national Democratic and progressive political organizations to pour money into attempting to flip a state in Georgia that they already thought was and would continue to trend heavily towards Democrats and progressive politics in the future.

High-profile races that Georgia Republicans might have won with relative ease over the last 15 years or so likely will not be as easy to win moving forward after Democrat Ossoff's early performance during the special election in Georgia's 6th Congressional District.

On the other hand, one should expect Republicans to fight tooth-and-nail to hold onto a congressional district that they have completely dominated over the last four decades in Georgia-6.

Karen Handel is a known and fairly very well-liked quantity in the Republican political and conservative social circles that traditionally have dominated this area of the Atlanta suburbs. One can and should expect the Republican coalition to solidify and coalesce behind her, though the likely maximized voter turnout and likely maximized spending by Democratic and left-leaning groups will more than likely make a typical GOP landslide victory an impossibility in this runoff race.

President Donald Trump's likely increasingly heavy involvement in this race, while it will help to maximize the turnout of the deeply conservative GOP base voters for Karen Handel, also may help to maximize the turnout of the anti-Trump vote for Jon Ossoff, making this a runoff race that may likely set a record for voter turnout in a special congressional race.

At this early point in time in the runoff, it appears that this race could go either way.

Democrat Jon Ossoff seems to have a good chance of pulling a massive upset to win a seat in a district that traditionally has been completely dominated by Republicans....While Karen Handel also seems to have a good chance at retaining this congressional seat for Republicans in what is likely to be a closely-contested contest in what will probably be one of the most-watched (if not the most-watched) special election runoff races of all time.

But one thing that is certain is that this runoff race will probably go down as one of the most expensive (if not the most expensive ever) and most bitterly-contested congressional races ever in the history of the United States.
The interesting thing is the many serious ethics problems that Tom Price has had in the past few months in his Senate confirmation are not played much into this race so far, and probably should be.

The fact he was trading stocks on bills he was pushing or stopping is a serious infringement, but I guess that's the nature of national politics now, there's so much more to think about.
 
Old 04-21-2017, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Ono Island, Orange Beach, AL
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The fact he was trading stocks on bills he was pushing or stopping is a serious infringement, but I guess that's the nature of national politics now, there's so much more to think about.
I would be surprised if the SEC doesn't bring insider trading charges against him.
 
Old 04-21-2017, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Georgia
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Who exactly is the first lady?
That is a VERY good question.
 
Old 04-21-2017, 10:41 PM
 
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The interesting thing is the many serious ethics problems that Tom Price has had in the past few months in his Senate confirmation are not played much into this race so far, and probably should be.

The fact he was trading stocks on bills he was pushing or stopping is a serious infringement, but I guess that's the nature of national politics now, there's so much more to think about.
In a more normal scenario in a more traditionally moderate congressional district that has not been completely dominated by either one political party, former congressman and current Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price's ethics issues might would probably be a bigger issue in a special congressional election like this.

But with the Republican and conservative voters who typically dominate the electoral processes and outcomes in the 6th Congressional District not caring (...Republican former congressman and HHS Secretary Price's ethics issues most likely would not be an issue with those conservative voters because Price's ethics issues have been reported by a mainstream media that those conservative voters strongly dislike and distrust) and with the voters turning out to vote for Democrat Jon Ossoff being motivated by their overall intense and severe dislike of Donald Trump, it is not surprising that Tom Price's ethics challenges have not and may not come up as an issue in what is likely to be an epic congressional special election race.
 
Old 04-21-2017, 11:49 PM
 
Location: East Point
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if this were a just world, all this money pouring into the pockets of politicians would be pouring into the communities that need it, and a good two-thirds of our politicians (on both sides) would be in federal prison.
 
Old 04-23-2017, 07:46 AM
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No real surprises here, but interesting to me nonetheless. Northside suburbia is not as monolithically "red" as some perceive it to be.

From red to purple: What Ossoff’s path through the 6th District means | Political Insider blog
 
Old 04-24-2017, 08:39 AM
 
Location: The Greatest city on Earth: City of Atlanta Proper
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No real surprises here, but interesting to me nonetheless. Northside suburbia is not as monolithically "red" as some perceive it to be.

From red to purple: What Ossoff’s path through the 6th District means | Political Insider blog
Shockers for me:

-Just how "blue" Dunwoody and Sandy Springs have become. Particularly Sandy Springs. Eva Galambos must be rolling in her grave.
-Johns Creek. WOW

Other interesting things

-Chamblee, Doraville, and Unicorp North Dekalb being so blue. Like I kinda knew, but something told me that the parts of that area closer to Dunwoody and Sandy Springs were "redder". Guess those days are long gone.
 
Old 04-24-2017, 09:07 AM
 
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No real surprises here, but interesting to me nonetheless. Northside suburbia is not as monolithically "red" as some perceive it to be.

From red to purple: What Ossoff’s path through the 6th District means | Political Insider blog
The comments section is an absolute s#&^show, as usual.
 
Old 04-24-2017, 12:44 PM
 
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Shockers for me:

-Just how "blue" Dunwoody and Sandy Springs have become. Particularly Sandy Springs. Eva Galambos must be rolling in her grave.
-Johns Creek. WOW
We were up in Dunwoody this weekend and there were more Ossoff signs than you could shake a stick at.

Most likely Trump and the Republicans have aggravated a lot of folks by the way they are doing things and talking.
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