Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > Georgia > Atlanta
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 03-29-2018, 02:23 AM
 
10,396 posts, read 11,504,544 times
Reputation: 7830

Advertisements

Wow! Because of an unforeseen budget windfall, Georgia Governor Nathan Deal is proposing to fully fund the State of Georgia's QBE (Quality Basic Education) formula for what appears may be the first time ever since the formula was created 33 years ago back in 1985.

Quote:
As part of his fiscal year 2019 budget proposal, Gov. Nathan Deal has allocated an additional $166 million toward the state’s education budget. The amount would fully fund the Quality Basic Education (QBE) formula for the first time since the recession.
"Deal Proposes Fully Funding Education Formula" (WABE-FM 90.1 Atlanta)
https://www.wabe.org/deal-proposes-f...la-first-time/

Fiscal Year 2019 Budget Amendment Letter (State of Georgia, Office of the Governor)
https://gov.georgia.gov/sites/gov.ge...20Letter_0.pdf

"Deal announces additional funding for education, transit in FY19 budget" (Governor Nathan Deal, Office of the Governor)
https://gov.georgia.gov/press-releas...it-fy19-budget

This is really major news because this appears to possibly be the first time ever that Georgia state government has fully funded its share of education.

This increase in funding also reverses roughly about 16 straight years of austerity cuts to education, with the worst cuts coming in the aftermath of the Great Recession in the years from 2010 through 2014 when the cuts to the state's share of education reached as high as $1 billion per year.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 03-29-2018, 05:31 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
9,818 posts, read 7,937,279 times
Reputation: 9991
Quote:
Originally Posted by Born 2 Roll View Post
Wow! Because of an unforeseen budget windfall, Georgia Governor Nathan Deal is proposing to fully fund the State of Georgia's QBE (Quality Basic Education) formula for what appears may be the first time ever since the formula was created 33 years ago back in 1985.



"Deal Proposes Fully Funding Education Formula" (WABE-FM 90.1 Atlanta)
https://www.wabe.org/deal-proposes-f...la-first-time/

Fiscal Year 2019 Budget Amendment Letter (State of Georgia, Office of the Governor)
https://gov.georgia.gov/sites/gov.ge...20Letter_0.pdf

"Deal announces additional funding for education, transit in FY19 budget" (Governor Nathan Deal, Office of the Governor)
https://gov.georgia.gov/press-releas...it-fy19-budget

This is really major news because this appears to possibly be the first time ever that Georgia state government has fully funded its share of education.

This increase in funding also reverses roughly about 16 straight years of austerity cuts to education, with the worst cuts coming in the aftermath of the Great Recession in the years from 2010 through 2014 when the cuts to the state's share of education reached as high as $1 billion per year.
Wow, fantastic news! Thanks for sharing B2R!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-29-2018, 05:12 PM
 
2,530 posts, read 4,773,938 times
Reputation: 2053
Once again Nathan Deal comes through with wise choices!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-29-2018, 05:23 PM
 
32,026 posts, read 36,796,625 times
Reputation: 13311
Well done, Gov. Deal!

Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-29-2018, 06:17 PM
 
9,008 posts, read 14,060,376 times
Reputation: 7643
Quick question:

I'm seeing news of teacher walk outs in places like West Virginia and Oklahoma as their states address teacher salaries.

I always thought teacher salaries were paid by the counties (if not, what is that huge county property tax I pay earmarked education going toward???).

In Georgia, does the state budget allocate teacher salaries?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-29-2018, 06:33 PM
 
1,456 posts, read 1,321,111 times
Reputation: 2173
Quote:
Originally Posted by ATLTJL View Post
Quick question:

I'm seeing news of teacher walk outs in places like West Virginia and Oklahoma as their states address teacher salaries.

I always thought teacher salaries were paid by the counties (if not, what is that huge county property tax I pay earmarked education going toward???).

In Georgia, does the state budget allocate teacher salaries?
Usually a base state salary and counties offer a supplement. Large cities offer a supplement as well, such as APS.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-29-2018, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Savannah GA
13,709 posts, read 21,929,063 times
Reputation: 10227
Quote:
Originally Posted by ATLTJL View Post
Quick question:

I'm seeing news of teacher walk outs in places like West Virginia and Oklahoma as their states address teacher salaries.

I always thought teacher salaries were paid by the counties (if not, what is that huge county property tax I pay earmarked education going toward???).

In Georgia, does the state budget allocate teacher salaries?
The majority of a teacher’s salary is paid for through the state education budget, which makes up the largest portion of the overall state budget. The state’s base “step salary schedule” determines how much is paid for every level of instructional employment (from librarians and parapros to teachers and administrators) depending on education level (BA to PHD) and years of experience (you get a huge jump every three years). That money is then allocated to each county based on enrollment — so many dollars per each student. That portion of local property taxes (millage) allocated for individual city and county school districts is used to supplement the state base salaries, as well as fund general operations like utilities, facilities maintainance, etc. The state education budget also includes a funding mechanism for school transportation (buses) with so much money going to each county based on enrollment and miles driven (I think) as well as the purchase of textbooks.

While the state does contribute SOME funding for construction, most of that is paid for at the local level through ESPLOST and other means. In fact, instruction (salaries etc) and operations (facilities) are two separate budgets with two completely separate funding sources, and the money can’t be mixed (state teacher money can’t be used to build buildings, and local sales tax money can’t be used to pay teachers).

All this helps explain why historically, the larger, wealthier, urban systems (with greater taxable resources) had higher overall salaries and better overall facilities than smaller, poorer, rural districts. The state QBE funding formula does “rob Peter to pay Paul” to some degree by diverting funds from wealthier counties to poorer ones, which has always drawn complaints and makes the entire school funding process such a political hot potato.

Just as an example of how this works at the local level (that I’m familiar with anyway) ... the Fayette County Board of Education has for many years taxed local property at the highest millage rate possible (20 mils) because they fund a whole bunch more stuff than the state budget allows. Fayette maintains a lower per teacher classroom size than the state requires or funds, meaning that Fayette ends up paying 100 percent of the salaries for some teachers (and administrators). Fayette also provides door-to-door (or driveway to driveway) transportation for all students, while the state only funds transportion beyond 1.5 miles of a school. This means that Fayette operates more buses and more bus routes than the state says is necessary, and ends up spending a couple million dollars more a year than the state gives them. Ditto parapros in every K-3 classroom, and string orchestra programs from kindergarten through high school. These are just some examples of how local school districts supplement their budgets above and beyond what the state education budget sends them, using local property tax dollars.

Last edited by Newsboy; 03-29-2018 at 10:35 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-29-2018, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
9,818 posts, read 7,937,279 times
Reputation: 9991
Quote:
Originally Posted by Newsboy View Post
The majority of a teacher’s salary is paid for through the state education budget, which makes up the largest portion of the overall state budget. The base “step salary schedule” for every level of instructional employment (from aides and parapros to teachers and administrators) is allocated to each county based on enrollment — so many dollars per each student. The portion of local property taxes (millage) collected and allocated for individual city and county school districts is used to supplement the state base salaries, as well as fund general operations, academic instruction, utlities, facilities maintainance, etc. The state education budget also includes a funding mechanism for school transportation (buses) with so funding going to each county based on enrollment (and I think actual ridership numbers).

While the state does contribute SOME funding for construction, most of that is paid for at the local level through ESPLOST and other means. In fact, operations (salaries etc) and capital spending (facilities) are two separate budgets with two completely separate funding sources, and the money can’t be mixed (state teacher money can’t be used to build buildings, and local sales tax money can’t be used to pay teachers).

All this helps explain why historically, the larger, wealthier, urban systems (with greater taxable resources) had higher overall salaries and better overall facilities than smaller, poorer, rural districts. The state QBE funding formula does “rob Peter to pay Paul” to some degree by diverting funds from wealthier counties to poorer ones, which has always drawn complaints and makes the entire school funding process such a political hot potato.
Perfect breakdown and explanation of how the system works, Newsboy! Spoken like a true native that's been paying attention forever. One of my closest friends has been teaching in Gwinnett for years, and just landed a job as an Administrator. He's been keeping me up to speed on this since I've lived here.

And I never thought I would say this 8 years ago, but I am really sorry to see Nathan Deal have to go.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-29-2018, 10:53 PM
 
Location: Georgia
5,845 posts, read 6,159,198 times
Reputation: 3573
Economic times aren't too bad for Georgia, particularly metro Atlanta, but at least some of these funds are going to education where they belong.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-29-2018, 11:01 PM
 
9,008 posts, read 14,060,376 times
Reputation: 7643
Thanks, Newsboy....

But I'm still baffled. The VAST majority of my property taxes (Gwinnett county) are earmarked for education. The state pays for teacher minus the supplement and any extra teachers beyond the mandated minimum. The state also pays for bus routes except door-to-door (which I don't think we have), and the SPLOST that we do have funds construction. I believe we have another SPLOST for textbooks, technology, etc.

How in the world does whatever is left over cost more to fund than fire departments, transportation, police, etc. COMBINED???

Is there corruption going on somewhere? Are there big, fat pensions that we are having to fund? I'm all for high quality schools, but it just doesn't seem right that education is THAT huge of a line item in the county's budget.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Settings
X
Data:
Loading data...
Based on 2000-2020 data
Loading data...

123
Hide US histogram


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > Georgia > Atlanta

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:09 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top