21 story tower proposed for Old Fourth Ward (Atlanta, Boston: theater, zoning)

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by kgpremed13

I don't have a problem with building densely in places that are industrial or zoned for density, but if there is one thing I have learned the last couple years of my adult life, it is that rules are made by someone, and if you talk to the right people(the ones making the rules) rules can be rewritten very quickly. Maybe developers bribe the people making the rules to where more and more of O4W is rezoned for "density" IDK, money talks though.

Rezones go before NPUs and ZRB, the public has opportunities to speak out against it.

[kgpremed13]

Originally Posted by cqholt

Rezones go before NPUs and ZRB, the public has opportunities to speak out against it.

Sure, if they are aware of whats going on, most people are busy and could easily not pay attention to it.

[Iconographer]

Originally Posted by kgpremed13

Sure, if they are aware of whats going on, most people are busy and could easily not pay attention to it.

That's when an organized Residents' Association comes in handy. Nothing gets by ours, and we're always notified of upcoming hearings if we're on the distribution list.

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by kgpremed13

Sure, if they are aware of whats going on, most people are busy and could easily not pay attention to it.

Then I guess they don't care enough to pay attention.

[Pemgin]

NIMBYS MOBILIZE!

[chiatldal]

Originally Posted by bu2

Look at the pictures of the site in this thread. This tower is right in the middle of a bunch of the standard 5+1 apartment blocks.

It's not Ponce Market it just a block away, Addition there are several other developments at least 12 stores being plan in that area.

[chiatldal]

Originally Posted by kgpremed13

But what I'm saying is, its only a matter of time before they come for the SFHs.

Here the thing Midtown CBD was residential a 100 year ago, but 50 years ago there area already commercial and industrial.

The specific area of Midtown that later develop into a CBD was not residential, it long develop into commercial and industrial area by the 50s to 70's this what made it turning a CBD possible in the 80's to 90's..


And this is why part of Midtown is still SFH residential because this other half never develop in commercial and industrial are by the 50s to 70s. Area that tranforming with redevelop are not the leafy SFH areas but industrial and older commercial area.


The area in O4W that urbanizing is that old industrial area, the largely SFH areas are basically safe.



Midtown


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This also makes my point.....

Originally Posted by joey86

For reference.

This specific area in old Fourth ward was an industrial area, that why it's happening here.



Four decades of the Old Fourth Ward, seen from my office window

A few years ago Google announced it would archive older images from its Google Maps StreetView program to create a StreetView History section for various cities. StreetView is less than 10 years old, but decades from now it will be a local historian’s delight. I only wish we had StreetView back when I moved my company to the Old Fourth Ward in 1979.


Like the proverbial frog submersed in slowly heating water, familiarity with our immediate surroundings makes us oblivious to incremental change. That is until one day we suddenly realize almost everything is different. That happened to me regarding my studio in the Old Fourth Ward neighborhood.
I started my film production company in a 7th Street apartment in 1976. Two years later my one-bedroom space was too small for all my editing and production equipment. I had to find another place to work.


A friend told me about vacant offices in an old warehouse at 750 Forrest Ave. It was a large open space with a rusted roof and crumbling wooden loading dock that faced a parking lot dotted with weeds growing up through cracked asphalt. Upstairs were a few small offices, and I rented two. One was my office and the other was the editing room.

Late 1970’s – Early 1980’s
The building at 750 showed its age. Our parking lot was encircled by rusted chain link fence, partially obscured by fast-growing Kudzu that cascaded down from the adjacent railroad track. Vines had to be constantly trimmed back, or they would take over. There are a reason people in South Georgia call Kudzu “mile-a-night.”


Forrest Avenue ran straight east from Downtown and jogged north to connect with North Avenue just before Manuel’s Tavern. Adair Street curved around the back of the 750 building and connected to North Avenue at the Sears Automotive Service Center and adjacent to Excelsier Mill. Nestled in this industrial section of Adair were a number of warehouses, one of which housed Kelly’s Seed and Feed, home to an innovative theater company and the famous Marching Abominables.


Our area was industrial. Across the street from our offices was the Blue Circle Concrete plant, which had a constant stream of giant cement trucks churning up dust as they noisily drove back and forth. Next to Blue Circle was Benton Brothers Film Express, a company that specialized in the exclusive transport of film reels to movie theatres.








Next door to 750 was Halls Wholesale Flowers, a large warehouse full of cut flowers. Occasionally, the delightful scent would waft through my open window. Just up the hill from Hall’s were three busy Ivan Allen Office Supply warehouses. On the corner of Forrest Avenue and Glen Iris was the Forrest Avenue School, which had been closed years earlier.


In view of our parking lot was an active railroad track. Almost every year, the colorful Ringling Brothers and Barnum & Bailey Circus train would slowly pass on its way to a siding in Piedmont Park for the duration of their Atlanta run.


On the other side of the tracks was the closed Western Electric Telephone Factory, which was being transitioned into artist lofts. The rest of the area was mostly overgrown and dotted with abandoned buildings and sidewalks that had not been maintained for years. Save for a few homeless people and prostitutes, the area was empty of pedestrians.

A long the Beltline there a huge industrial area. So large that up could create entire new NPU or neighborhoods themselves in that space.


My expectation for areas along the belt line was to be come like Glennwood Park at most, but there were conceptual rendering that show far beyond that. I thought of them as nice but as exaggeration and just a conceptual dreams, but lowkey the areas around O4W park and areas in West Midtown. Are slowly turning into developments as urban as some the beltline rendering.


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Because the east side Trail was the first to develop O4W is now basically leading the way, but Several pockets along the Beltline are suppose to urbanize. Again there are so much brownfield industrial area a long the beltline you basically could create entire new neighborhoods between current one.
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[samiwas1]

Originally Posted by bu2

Not sure what the total owned land area is, but it doesn't shade the adjacent apartment complex the way a similar complex would across the whole front of the apartment. If they kept rest of that block (assuming they own it) as green space-a "front lawn" for the condo, it really is a win-win.

I'm not a fan of telling people what type of structure they should build, especially if what they are doing matches the zoned use as it does here-multifamily, although I can sympathize with setbacks. I don't really see your objection as really being so much as a setback issue as taste police. That's something we should avoid.

One thing you people seem to be missing...I don't care if they build it or not. Not my part of town. Won't affect me one bit. Don't care. Feel bad for the people in the apartment building next door who will now have a building practically 10' outside their window, but whatevs. I just think it's hideous, and I'm shocked at how the urban-fabric coalition is wetting themselves over this thing when it doesn't meet pretty much any of the criteria they usually froth over, and in fact meets much of the criteria of things they usually hate and chastise the rest of us for. I just find this whole thing an exercise in irony. It's pretty funny.

Originally Posted by chiatldal

It's not Ponce Market it just a block away, Addition there are several other developments at least 12 stores being plan in that area.

One block? It's nearly half a mile away.

Most 12-story buildings would be a little more than half the height of this boondoggle (I'm crossing threads now)

[chiatldal]

Originally Posted by samiwas1

One block? It's nearly half a mile away.

It's in the general area surrounding the park. All these developments are


http://www.h4wpc.org/wp-content/uplo...heater_pan.jpg

Most 12-story buildings would be a little more than half the height of this boondoggle (I'm crossing threads now)

Cause you not listening I directly , respond to this point

If you notice not all buildings are the same height in a Skyline.....in case with a super tall, there's usually are mid height buildings surround the tallest that create a step affect.

So you go from low, to middle, to tallest. That's what happening here.

Example Austin. The tallest is at least 40% taller than any other building but there enough mid height building to balance it out. What happen in O4W is this on a smaller scale.

https://images.fineartamerica.com/im...ob-greebon.jpg


The picture you made is misleading cause it showed a 21 tower, surrounded by 5 story apartments. So you picture goes A to C. It completely leaves B the mid height buildings planed for the area that would balance it out.

[Iconographer]

Originally Posted by chiatldal

It's in the general area surrounding the park. All these developments are


http://www.h4wpc.org/wp-content/uplo...heater_pan.jpg


Cause you not listening I directly , respond to this point

If you notice not all buildings are the same height in a Skyline.....in case with a super tall, there's usually are mid height buildings surround the tallest that create a step affect.

So you go from low, to middle, to tallest. That's what happening here.

Example Austin. The tallest is at least 40% taller than any other building but there enough mid height building to balance it out. What happen in O4W is this on a smaller scale.

https://images.fineartamerica.com/im...ob-greebon.jpg


The picture you made is misleading cause it showed a 21 tower, surrounded by 5 story apartments. So you picture goes A to C. It completely leaves B the mid height buildings planed for the area that would balance it out.

There are numerous examples of buildings that tower over their neighbors, anyway.

Empire State Building, NYC
US Bank Tower, Los Angeles
Transamerica Tower, San Francisco
John Hancock Tower, Boston
The Shard, London

Where is the Hue and Cry there?