Why do people want to work and live in Austin if it is already overcrowded, expensive to live there ? (Paris: apartment, squatters)

[scm53]

Originally Posted by Komeht

Didn't realize that Amsterdam, London and Paris were in the US.

Also - Washington beltway is a disaster - so, thanks for that example as well.

If ring roads were the disaster you claim they would be disasters on any continent.

Unless you were cherry picking your examples ...

[Austinite101]

Originally Posted by scm53

If ring roads were the disaster you claim they would be disasters on any continent.

Unless you were cherry picking your examples ...

Those cities actually have world-class transit as well. That's the difference. You can't just pave over everything, building loops and highways, and expect the problem to go away. Doing so only incentivizes more sprawl.

[texdav]

Perhaps they like it? The same can be said of many others place even more dense.

[Komeht]

Originally Posted by scm53

If ring roads were the disaster you claim they would be disasters on any continent.

Unless you were cherry picking your examples ...

London, Amsterdam and Paris are very very old cities and largely developed long before the advent of the car - that is why they are fantastic places to be. And the reason for selecting US cities was to compare like-to-like.

[scm53]

Originally Posted by Austinite101

Those cities actually have world-class transit as well. That's the difference. You can't just pave over everything, building loops and highways, and expect the problem to go away. Doing so only incentivizes more sprawl.

False dichotomy, direct from the Joni Mitchell school of urban planning. No one is proposing "pav(ing) over everything".

If you are willing to have the densities in Austin that support those transit systems, you need to make your voice known to council. Because most of your central neighbors will man the barricades before they allow that. You can't block density, and simultaneously rail against "demon sprawl".

[RoadWarrior12]

Awfully familiar "argument" going on here.

Oh, yeah - it's the same tired debate on every thread.

[centralaustinite]

Originally Posted by scm53

If ring roads were the disaster you claim they would be disasters on any continent.

Unless you were cherry picking your examples ...

YES! They are disasters on every continent! (don't know why I even bother) this thread has taken its usual turn.

[scm53]

Originally Posted by centralaustinite

(don't know why I even bother) this thread has taken its usual turn.

Maybe if you and the high priest of the First Church of Urbanism would allow some of us to live as we prefer - the same way we are willing to let you live as you prefer - then people might stop pushing back.

[creepy]

Personally I think they are being lured here by a type of "racket". It is no longer like when I came here in 84/85'. Someone hears about how cool it is and visits. Now we have Realtors/developers building huge swaths of condos and they are posting in sites and magazines and articles about this city so they can fill them. the poor folks(yes I have sympathy for them on some level) are moving here thinking it is just like other moves or other times not realizing the huge influx and that they are seen as unwanted by many.

See my other post about it. Can't recall the title right now.

If you want to take it even further many in the more radical circles see what is happening in America as the end of an empire scenario. American government and the rich have milked it for so much and are now abandoning America for other places. The people can only go into a type of revolution.

I find it interesting that in NYC right now the rich are being displaced by the International folks. The affordable housing for the rich is no longer affordable for even them and the immigrants are buying out tons of stuff.

[creepy]

Don't feed the trolls.