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What was the point of saving a kids life at twenty four weeks and then turning around and saying sorry but the extra help true Aussies get you are not entitled to.
Would it not be better to tell Kiwis they will get NO free Health care if they have arrived after 2001 ?
Why give them free health care if they cannot get other help.
Interesting that some want Pacific Islanders banned from Aus, Australia does like to remind itself of it's proud racial history does it not ?
Most Kiwis in Australia Welfare is not even on the radar simply because Kiwis have the highest employment participation rate of any group a stunning 10% higher than Aus born. You wouldn't know this the way the media go on.
As Kiwis pay full taxes, and likely contribute the most per capita than other groups, Kiwis should receive State health care yes. Many of us Kiwis pay for private as well btw, as in my family.
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Can't Kiwis get PR the same way everyone else does? By marrying an Aussie, getting an employer sponsor etc etc.
Though it does seem a bit unfair that Aussies can get kiwi citizenship just be living in the country for 5 years
haha
Its disappointing to seem media mass hysteria constantly influencing people like sheep.
As we can see Kiwis had a incredibly high employment participation rate when the 2001 changes came into effect and its been constant before and after. A lot of the reason is age groups in the country but that's moot.
The Aus media around 2000 pretty much did a hatchet job on Kiwis using a tiny blip in long term unemployment trends to paint a false picture, certainly didn't bother showing the vastly more reliable stat employment participation rate.
Its disappointing to seem media mass hysteria constantly influencing people like sheep.
As we can see Kiwis had a incredibly high employment participation rate when the 2001 changes came into effect and its been constant before and after. A lot of the reason is age groups in the country but that's moot.
The Aus media around 2000 pretty much did a hatchet job on Kiwis using a tiny blip in long term unemployment trends to paint a false picture, certainly didn't bother showing the vastly more reliable stat employment participation rate.
In some ways its kinda funny, just shows the power of the media.
Well thanks, but i was more interested on weather the path to an Australian PR visa and citizenship for a post 2001 arrival from New Zealand is any more difficult or legally different to some one arriving from say England or china etc etc?
Well thanks, but i was more interested on weather the path to an Australian PR visa and citizenship for a post 2001 arrival from New Zealand is any more difficult or legally different to some one arriving from say England or china etc etc?
Well yea even being a Kiwi in NZ myself at the time , my thoughts were who cares about the doll no great loss with the changes, never want to live in Aus anyway :P, of course the bigger issues have only become obvious over time.
NZ/Aus have a freedom of movement Trans tasman agreement, you cant compare it to the UK/US etc where there is no such agreement. Changes in 2001 meant Kiwis living in Aus have to be on the rather limited Skills Shortage list to obtain a "Permanent Resident" visa which leads to Citizenship. A plumber, builder , some nurses etc are profession not on the SOL, hence there is no pathway to Citizenship. I am on the SOL but have sypathy for those that are not.
Just get rid of SVC's and make Kiwis apply the same way everyone else does. Problem solved. OTOH I see the benefit to Australia of having the current system which basically provides Australia with "guest workers" who will have to leave if the economy goes bad.
Just get rid of SVC's and make Kiwis apply the same way everyone else does. Problem solved. OTOH I see the benefit to Australia of having the current system which basically provides Australia with "guest workers" who will have to leave if the economy goes bad.
Well the largest tourist group into Australia are Kiwis so 99% (rough guess) of the way the SCV is used is tourism. Probably a 3 month restriction would be a better idea keeping it nice and easy for kiwis to pop over.
I doubt the Aus government can ever change the SCV "retrospectively" and ask people to leave for a variety of reasons which include Australia best interests, legal, human rights and good old being fair, so the situation does need fixing for those already here.
I would do this as moving forward change to the SCV .
1. Same conditions as now for 5 years (to be sure they can support themselves, stop the odd bottom feeder).
2. After 5 years allow Citizenship application with usual checks etc, if they cant be bothered applying don't complain!
3. No one can apply for Citizenship that has not lived in NZ for 10 years or more (to stop the backdoor situation) but allowing for those that genuinely may have changed there mind over time.
Probably cancelling the SCV is a better option than the mess its causing now, but not sure that's in Australia best interests.
Most Kiwis in Australia Welfare is not even on the radar simply because Kiwis have the highest employment participation rate of any group a stunning 10% higher than Aus born. You wouldn't know this the way the media go on.
As Kiwis pay full taxes, and likely contribute the most per capita than other groups, Kiwis should receive State health care yes. Many of us Kiwis pay for private as well btw, as in my family.
Why don't you just become a citizen instead of just taking are jarbs!
Why don't you just become a citizen instead of just taking are jarbs!
I covered I am on the SOL and have a application in for a PR Visa, actually a request for a invitation to apply is the new term lol
So yes my comments are not for myself
More people = more economic activity and more jobs its economics 101, so Kiwis are not "taking are jarbs!".
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