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Old 07-14-2014, 11:15 PM
 
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It looks like a like a lot of butt-covering will be going on. No doubt this is a symptom of a rape culture that puts political reputations and trade agreements before the rights of women?
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Diplomat case: Attacks on sex inquiry's terms of reference

The inquiry into the Government's mistakes in its handling of the alleged sex case involving a Malaysian diplomat is being denounced for not specifically putting the roles of Foreign Minister Murray McCully and Prime Minister John Key under the microscope.
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New Zealand First leader Winston Peters, a former Foreign Minister, said it was scarcely believable that the mistake boiled down to a single official in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade.

"The Prime Minister and the Minister of Foreign Affairs claim to have been out of the loop. So what on earth were they briefed about? You're the Minister of Foreign Affairs. Red flags are coming up everywhere in front of your face, surely?

"The inquiry seeks to go straight to the civil servants, and crudely suggests that all the blame lies there. I don't believe for a moment that civil servants would be proceeding without tacit knowledge of the minister and the Prime Minister."
Diplomat case: Attacks on sex inquiry's terms of reference - National - NZ Herald News
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Old 07-14-2014, 11:19 PM
 
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It's odd that Murray McCully issued an apology to John Key for his ministry's stuff up but still hasn't personally given an apology to the alleged victim for mishandling the incident..

I am not asking for more media stories, I am simply asking if YOU know what Diplomatic Immunity is?. I am just trying to determin if there is a lack of knowledge issue going on here.
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Old 07-14-2014, 11:30 PM
 
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Perhaps you should go and do some research about diplomatic immunity, to whom it applies, the definition of official duties, persona non grata and in what context DI applies before again trying to turn the focus of this thread away from the real issue : Tania Billingsley's complaint that she is living in a rape culture and sexual abuse is rampant in our culture.

Start another thread if you want to go off topic.
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Old 07-14-2014, 11:36 PM
 
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Perhaps you should go and do some research about diplomatic immunity, to whom it applies, the definition of official duties and in what context it applies before trying to turn the focus of this thread away from the real issue : Tania Billingsley's complaint that she is living in a rape culture and sexual abuse is rampant in our culture.

Start another thread if you want to go off topic.

A simple "yes" would have sacrificed, this has nothing to do with rape culture and you know it.


Using your own story


Top ex-civil servant tipped to head NZ inquiry on why M'sian 'sex attack' diplomat allowed to leave country



Rizalman was arrested on May 10 on charges of burglary and attempted rape following an alleged attack in the Wellington suburb of Brooklyn. The same day the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade (Mfat) issued a formal request for diplomatic immunity to be waived. The request was rebuffed and Rizalman left New Zealand on May 22.




What the victim struck is "We can't touch him" not "we don't take your rape seriously", there is a major difference.
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Old 07-14-2014, 11:40 PM
 
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What the victim struck is "We can't touch him" not "we don't take your rape seriously", there is a major difference.
Sorry but I can't understand that sentence. Start another thread if you want to talk about diplomatic immunity and how it has been misreported by the NZ press. That is not the topic of this thread which is sexual violence and rape culture. I refuse to be drawn into replying to any more of your posts or engaging in flame wars.
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Old 07-14-2014, 11:47 PM
 
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Sorry but I can't understand that sentence.

Tania Billingsley the person in the title of your thread was attack by a foreign diplomat with diplomatic immunity, I cannot simplify it more than that for you.

The police did not prosecute the guy because............


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I refuse to be drawn into replying to any more of your posts or engaging in flame wars.

No one is flaming anyone, you have posted a article. I am helping you get to the root of the story in a logical methodical manner removing all the hysterical hype we find in the mainstream media.

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Old 07-15-2014, 12:14 AM
 
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Default Taskforce on sexual violence 2007 and lack of govt funding

In 2007 a task force on sexual violence incorporating Te Ohaakii a Hine National Network Ending Sexual Violence Together (TOAH-NNEST) was established in New Zealand by the Labour government.

Since National came into government the task force's recommendations have been shelved and ignored, sexual violence services have been underfunded at a time when they face an increased demand for their services. This has been confirmed in the statement made by Tania Billingsley regarding her own 2-3 month wait for counselling and the closure of the Christchurch rape crisis centre
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Christchurch’s only rape crisis centre was forced to close down due to lack of funding. This in a city where sexual assault has risen 40 percent since the 2010 earthquake. These services need sustainable, ongoing support. I experienced personally the everyday outcomes of lack of funding when finding out that the waiting list for counselling through the service helping me is two to three months
These are the key recommendations of the task force's report.

"Prevention

  • Sustainable funding for specialist sexual violence primary prevention programmes.
  • TOAH-NNEST is resourced to continue in its work with government, including the development of Te Ohaakii a Hine as a prevention model and work on the Sexual Violence Prevention Plan.
  • The Sexual Violence Prevention Plan is completed and circulated for public consultation.
  • Specific work on child sexual abuse and adult rape is undertaken as part of the work of the Taskforce for Action on Violence within Families 'It's not ok' campaign.
Specialist frontline services

  • A review is undertaken of funding arrangements that support collaborative approaches and includes consideration of alternative funding models.
  • Immediate funding is provided so that workforce training and development needs and service coordination can be achieved.
  • Alternatives to the current accident compensation corporation (ACC) system are implemented.
  • Government–TOAH-NNEST exploration of legislative changes is required to enable ACC delivery of best practice rehabilitation and treatment.
  • The pilot programme for the treatment of non-mandated perpetrators of sexual violence is delivered and evaluated, and an additional pilot programme by and for tangata whenua is delivered.
  • Funding shortfalls are evaluated for the provision of community treatment for offenders.
Criminal justice

  • Legislative amendments are progressed (consent, reasonable belief and the 'rape shield').
  • A joint government and TOAH-NNEST project is undertaken, specific to sexual violence, on:
    • reducing the impact of the criminal justice system on victims, and enhancing the rights of those victims
    • piloting and implementing a specialist court support role for victims of sexual violence
    • delivering specialist training to relevant criminal justice personnel on sexual violence and Te Ao Māori
    • progressing work on alternative methods of resolution, including models appropriate for Māori, and restorative justice programmes.
Future directions and approaches

  • Information prepared as part of the work programme is made publicly available.
  • There is monitoring of progress on the report's recommendations to ensure action is targeted to where it is most effective.
  • There is ongoing involvement and resourcing of TOAH-NNEST in sexual violence work."

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Old 07-15-2014, 12:41 AM
 
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Old 07-15-2014, 05:17 AM
 
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What are the rape stats in NZ compared to the rest of the developed world? where do we rank? the stats won't lie.
I'm not going to compare because its useless but only 13% of reported cases end in a conviction in NZ

Hardly encouraging for victims. (Not to mention the old problem of the attacker most likely being known to the victim).
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Old 07-15-2014, 05:38 AM
 
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Didn't know it would be that low (13%). Its a tough one to get a gauge on. As we know getting stats on it is going to be flawed.
I do know of 3 women that are either friends or family to me that its open they have been raped.

I think its far more common than many people realise. Esp when she knows him or is in a relationship with him. Its just something that is often kept private. Is it a worse problem in NZ per capita than say Australia, or the UK? tough to know.
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