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I have it on my SUV. It's kicked in once on ice. Interesting sensation having the back end correct itself before I could. Pissed me off just a little. Other than that I've never noticed it.
For those who hate air bags and seat belts: I would like to have had you walking next to me in 8th grade when the mother of a girl in my class rear ended a car right next to us. Our classmate went theough the windshield and when her body rebounded the windshield decapitated her. Seat belt and/or airbag would have saved her life.
A decapitated friend was a wonderful thing to see at age 13. BTW, the human body contains an amazing amount of blood and you realize how much when it's spurting all over the hood of a car...
Great feature for inexperienced drivers and I'm glad it's there for them...
The point is, they force everyone to remain an inexperienced driver their entire life, because they deny the experience of making a self-correction. Driving a car, like everything else you do in your life, from walking to eating with a spoon to catching a ball, is a process of learning to compensate for error.
The point is, they force everyone to remain an inexperienced driver their entire life, because they deny the experience of making a self-correction. Driving a car, like everything else you do in your life, from walking to eating with a spoon to catching a ball, is a process of learning to compensate for error.
Up here there are plenty of people who never learn. They'll do okay in the summer, but in winter it's everyone for themselves when these folks go out on the road.
I mean really, you come off as someone from sixty years ago campaigning against seat belts because you're God's gift to driving and all they really do is decapitate you anyway. I've seen the results of a quite a few crashes in vehicles without air bags and it is seriously not pretty (the crashes were often not the fault of the people killed). Many of them would still be fairly messed up, but at least alive had they had the air bags.
Quite the opposite. I am all FOR seatbelts. I think every car should come standard with a 5-point harness instead of a lap and shoulder belt. a HANS device would also be welcomed. That would save so many back and neck injuries in crashes, and GREATLY reduce insurance rates.
If your head can't physically move to the dashboard/steering wheel, you don't need an air bag to prevent you from hitting it in the first place. And if the car has come up on you THAT much from the impact, you're probably dead anyway, so it's a moot point.
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Stability control is another idiot-proof system and idiot-proof systems create idiots.
I'm well aware of who Tiff is, and his pathetic racing 'career'. He did 2 races. One of which he didn't finish. VBH kicks his ass all the time in driving tests on 5th gear.
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I'm well aware of who Tiff is, and his pathetic racing 'career'. He did 2 races. One of which he didn't finish. VBH kicks his ass all the time in driving tests on 5th gear.
Regardless, he's a better driver than 98% of the people on the road, and it did help him, which is the point.
For the majority of the drivers on the road, it's a helpful tool, and one that only really kicks in when they get in a crash/evasive situation.
As far as airbags go, they've been proven time and time again to save far more lives than they take/injure, yes, you'll brake a rip or two, maybe even your nose and jaw, but you're not dead.
I have it on my 07 Charger, I usually leave it alone except for during the winter. Although it may seem counter intuitive, on snowy roads I prefer to drive with it off.
stability control can be useful even for those drivers that understand vehicle dynamics, and are truly in control of their cars. none of my cars has it as they are too old to have it. if you are an average driver, and if you live in an area where the roads get very slippery because of ice or heavy rain, then go ahead and get the stability control equipped car.
Regardless, he's a better driver than 98% of the people on the road, and it did help him, which is the point.
For the majority of the drivers on the road, it's a helpful tool, and one that only really kicks in when they get in a crash/evasive situation.
As far as airbags go, they've been proven time and time again to save far more lives than they take/injure, yes, you'll brake a rip or two, maybe even your nose and jaw, but you're not dead.
I don't think it's a bad system, but far too many people become reliant on the tech versus learning how to drive themselves. We've all seen the guy in the blizzard doing 60+ on the highway in 4WD Grand Cherokee only to see him in a ditch 2 miles down the road. Now people have an even better excuse with all the aids to not actually learn how to drive and handle the situation. With all that said, I'm sure these systems will save lives.
From a performance perspective, it has been proven in many cases that a good driver is still better. For instance I'm sure another driver could have beaten the guy in your example, but as you pointed out most people aren't that driver. A lot also comes down to the system used. The majority of these systems are all or nothing (some of them can't even be turned off), prescious few actually allow you to dial in the "mode" or amount of "help" you want. Probably the best example of this is Mercedes system versus BMW's. Mercedes has one of the most intrusive traction nannies out there, while BMW let's you choose your mode and go from Mother Theresa (no fun at all) to Jenna Jamison (whole lotta fun).
I don't think it's a bad system, but far too many people become reliant on the tech versus learning how to drive themselves. We've all seen the guy in the blizzard doing 60+ on the highway in 4WD Grand Cherokee only to see him in a ditch 2 miles down the road. Now people have an even better excuse with all the aids to not actually learn how to drive and handle the situation. With all that said, I'm sure these systems will save lives.
From a performance perspective, it has been proven in many cases that a good driver is still better. For instance I'm sure another driver could have beaten the guy in your example, but as you pointed out most people aren't that driver. A lot also comes down to the system used. The majority of these systems are all or nothing (some of them can't even be turned off), prescious few actually allow you to dial in the "mode" or amount of "help" you want. Probably the best example of this is Mercedes system versus BMW's. Mercedes has one of the most intrusive traction nannies out there, while BMW let's you choose your mode and go from Mother Theresa (no fun at all) to Jenna Jamison (whole lotta fun).
Agreed. My Charger I believe has the Mercedes system (a result of the bad date between daimler & chrysler). The main reason I run without it in the winter is I prefere to be able to judge (from almost 30 years of snow driving) what my car will do in a given situation, not try to guess what the computer will do. Take pulling out into traffic for example, with the system on and a wheel spins while accelerating, it will apply brake to stop the wheel spin, which will usually cause the other wheel to spin, at which point the computer applies brake to that wheel and I end up coasting with traffic coming up behind me instead of accelerating, not a good situation to be in.
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