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Old 06-20-2012, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Newport News Virginia
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I've just finished watching this video, were two high power car (Domestic vs Import) drag raced each other. The corvette seems finish first but has a lower E.T. The honda civic team are chearing their tales off?
I don't understand this.

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Old 06-20-2012, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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vette won by .04 seconds. How did you not notice that?
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Old 06-20-2012, 06:45 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Both are quite impressive.
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Old 06-20-2012, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Newport News Virginia
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vette won by .04 seconds. How did you not notice that?
I noticed that part, it's just that the on the final race the vette is clearly in the lead, and finishes first, then loses? The NRG (honda civic team) are chearing in a win for what? I think there had to be an error.
The dude with the trophy say's his time was 8.54 and he was the winner.
How is this possible when the corvette ran a 8.50.
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Old 06-20-2012, 07:09 PM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX USA
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I noticed that part, it's just that the on the final race the vette is clearly in the lead, and finishes first, then loses? The NRG (honda civic team) are chearing in a win for what? I think there had to be an error.
The dude with the trophy say's his time was 8.54 and he was the winner.
How is this possible when the corvette ran a 8.50.
Maybe its bracket racing, and the vette broke out of his bracket. That or the vette red lighted, after the lights went green, the yellow lit up on the vettes side.
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Old 06-20-2012, 07:12 PM
 
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it looks like the honda may have driven around the vette at the top end. in drag racing et's are less important than getting to the finish line first. the vette had a hole shot, and fair lead at half track. in fact a large enough lead that the honda had to drive by on the big end to get the 8.54. i wish the camera had both scoreboards in the picture at the same time because the winners board lights up first.
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Old 06-20-2012, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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vette won by .04 seconds. How did you not notice that?
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I noticed that part, it's just that the on the final race the vette is clearly in the lead, and finishes first, then loses? The NRG (honda civic team) are chearing in a win for what? I think there had to be an error.
The dude with the trophy say's his time was 8.54 and he was the winner.
How is this possible when the corvette ran a 8.50.
It's not who has the lower ET that matters, it's who crosses the line first. You can have a lower ET but still get beat because your competitor had a better reaction time at the lights. In drag-racing lingo this is referred to as a "hole shot." The "win" lights light up on the Civic's timing board, presumably giving him the win by hole-shot. The winner even references this fact at 1:21.


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Maybe its bracket racing, and the vette broke out of his bracket. That or the vette red lighted, after the lights went green, the yellow lit up on the vettes side.
Nope, it's a clean launch -- check out the tree starting at :24 or 1:03.


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it looks like the honda may have driven around the vette at the top end.
That's exactly what happened. One can only imagine how much lag there is on a turbo large enough to send a 4-cylinder Civic down the strip in 8.XX seconds before it comes into full boost. If there's any doubt, the trap speeds tell the tale of how the Civic snuck across the line first despite the appearance of being outmatched throughout most of the race.
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Old 06-21-2012, 06:11 AM
 
Location: WI
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That's exactly what happened. One can only imagine how much lag there is on a turbo large enough to send a 4-cylinder Civic down the strip in 8.XX seconds before it comes into full boost. If there's any doubt, the trap speeds tell the tale of how the Civic snuck across the line first despite the appearance of being outmatched throughout most of the race.
from the boosted Honda's ive known of or been in (10 sec cars), it's not just getting their big turbos to get on boost but their motors to hit 'vtec'. That's why in most cases those cars are a waste at 1/8 mile tracks. Much like this video shows, there can be 2 ways to get down the track in equal times... both are fun but both can feel way different from the other when you're in the seat. And i'll give props to both rides.
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Old 06-21-2012, 06:25 AM
 
Location: Pikesville, MD
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from the boosted Honda's ive known of or been in (10 sec cars), it's not just getting their big turbos to get on boost but their motors to hit 'vtec'. That's why in most cases those cars are a waste at 1/8 mile tracks. Much like this video shows, there can be 2 ways to get down the track in equal times... both are fun but both can feel way different from the other when you're in the seat. And i'll give props to both rides.
Gotta disagree on the VTEC part, as it's no different than getting up on cam in any big cammed car. In drag racing, you should never be off the cam even at launch, if you're doing it right, as you lauch in the meat of the powerband, and each shift only takes you back to the center of that powerband. The VTEC cam lobes are no different than a regular high performance cam for a non-VTEC engine. In fact, due to the way VTEC works a VTEC car would have better low end power than a car that is just running a normal single high lift cam.
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Old 06-21-2012, 06:45 AM
 
Location: WI
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Gotta disagree on the VTEC part, as it's no different than getting up on cam in any big cammed car. In drag racing, you should never be off the cam even at launch, if you're doing it right, as you lauch in the meat of the powerband, and each shift only takes you back to the center of that powerband. The VTEC cam lobes are no different than a regular high performance cam for a non-VTEC engine. In fact, due to the way VTEC works a VTEC car would have better low end power than a car that is just running a normal single high lift cam.
understood. guess i'm just basing it on the older v8's ive been in some years ago that came on cam somewhat higher in the R's but nowhere near the range the Hondas run at. There's such a different feel in the seat, from a big block camaro i spent time in (10.7) that pulled hard off the line from 3-5000 (though was an AT that had a 3500 stall converter) and my son in law's boosted s2000 (similar times) that launches best in the mid 3's but while in boost doesnt hit that vtec until well into the 6's. Even our stock s2k doesnt really kick until 6500+ but then hits redline quickly. So as my experiences were more street based and as it's unfair to compare 2 totally different setups, your point is well taken.
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