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There are also no other car companies fielding a mass market diesel sedan. The EPA likely just succeeded in destroying that market.
EPA has no effect on Europe. Ze diesels are in ze really hot water over there, especially the buses and older diesel vehicles.
Diesels would not have had a market at all if it weren't for the Euros giving them government sweets and lemonade towards the vehicle. But now that two major cities, Paris and London, are dealing with some nasty pollution, diesels are on their way out on the continent where it matters.
And no, the environmental regulations are justified, unless you deliberately want nasty air pollution like the Euros are dealing with right now.
I have read the "cafe" standards force automobile makers to lighten the cars year after year. I remember reading that these "cafe" standards or mileage standards actually cause more injuries to occupants due to the lighter weight of the vehicle. Not having worked as an engineer or in the auto business is this true?
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There are also no other car companies fielding a mass market diesel sedan. The EPA likely just succeeded in destroying that market.
CARB is the agency in this case. They are beyond reasonable. (Due to needing to support the popularity (laziness) of 3,000 CA idling cars sitting in a 'drive-up' line at any one time @ In-n-Out or Starbucks) in a state with FINE weather... i.e. not needing to brave the rain or snow to get your latte...
This is 2015... the IC is century old + technology, and there is no need to have a zillion private cars in London and Paris (I've lived in both, as well as several more 'modern' urban cities with decent PT).
Too bad such a PUSH is over a dinky test routine which rarely equates to normal driving conditions (especially for diesel). Even my required dyno test is 'simulated' with requirements no reasonable driver uses. (They lug down the engine below 1,000rpm, then FULL THROTTLE acceleration (3x) to test for opacity (which of course I have NONE). But I have argued the unreasonable test, they say it is only to prove worse case (which is very hard on the engine and not something someone is gonna due if they have any knowledge of engine efficiency and protection).
This is 2015... if CARB wants to be of value they could simply tax vehicles with a Carbon Tax at the pump, This could define the fuel (base tax on Carbon content, resulting in benefit to alternative fuels). (This will be the end of 10,000 CARB related jobs, and millions of wasted maint / testing dollars / yr).
Consumers would have a 'built-in-conservation' incentive. Of course the RICH wouldn't care, so they can keep driving their boats / hummers. Joe Little (Me) will get by just fine dropping my dinar in the collection dish at a rate of near zero, for 20 gal of alternative fuel / 1,000 miles.
While this is 2015 it sure feels a lot like 1975 (driving my 1976 car today), but with a whole lot more 'drama' / rules / FINES. We (USA) are really out in front on this one...
Not to worry about destroying the diesel market in USA... I will keep driving my 1976 - 1999.5 VW-D's, I have plenty of spares (and the engines drop into ANY of the VW water cooled chassis... Pick-up to Vanagon, Rabbit to Passat (Quantum synchro )
CARB is the agency in this case. They are beyond reasonable. (Due to needing to support the popularity (laziness) of 3,000 CA idling cars sitting in a 'drive-up' line at any one time @ In-n-Out or Starbucks) in a state with FINE weather... i.e. not needing to brave the rain or snow to get your latte...
This is 2015... the IC is century old + technology, and there is no need to have a zillion private cars in London and Paris (I've lived in both, as well as several more 'modern' urban cities with decent PT).
Too bad such a PUSH is over a dinky test routine which rarely equates to normal driving conditions (especially for diesel). Even my required dyno test is 'simulated' with requirements no reasonable driver uses. (They lug down the engine below 1,000rpm, then FULL THROTTLE acceleration (3x) to test for opacity (which of course I have NONE). But I have argued the unreasonable test, they say it is only to prove worse case (which is very hard on the engine and not something someone is gonna due if they have any knowledge of engine efficiency and protection).
This is 2015... if CARB wants to be of value they could simply tax vehicles with a Carbon Tax at the pump, This could define the fuel (base tax on Carbon content, resulting in benefit to alternative fuels). (This will be the end of 10,000 CARB related jobs, and millions of wasted maint / testing dollars / yr).
Consumers would have a 'built-in-conservation' incentive. Of course the RICH wouldn't care, so they can keep driving their boats / hummers. Joe Little (Me) will get by just fine dropping my dinar in the collection dish at a rate of near zero, for 20 gal of alternative fuel / 1,000 miles.
While this is 2015 it sure feels a lot like 1975 (driving my 1976 car today), but with a whole lot more 'drama' / rules / FINES. We (USA) are really out in front on this one...
Not to worry about destroying the diesel market in USA... I will keep driving my 1976 - 1999.5 VW-D's, I have plenty of spares (and the engines drop into ANY of the VW water cooled chassis... Pick-up to Vanagon, Rabbit to Passat (Quantum synchro )
If the people in London and Paris don't need vechicles, they should not have even bought their diesels, or not be allowed to.
I've had VW diesels and still love them since contrary to many "in the know" I have had less reliability issues with VW than most Japanese & American cars I owned.
I still view VW as one of the best value car, especially when one considers the fun, drivability factor, looks and low MPG.
In my area while we have an annual NC mandatory safety and emission test required to be done. It cost $30 no matter who does it (qualified approved shops only). On TDI the cost is less when compared to gas engine since they don't check emission for diesels.
I still view VW as one of the best value car, especially when one considers the fun, drivability factor, looks and low MPG.
So you updated to the latest VW software?
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