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Old 10-23-2015, 09:41 AM
 
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So that means hooking up an OBD2 scanner would be illegal?
Going by the wording that would be correct.
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Old 10-23-2015, 09:42 AM
 
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Well that's a croc of BS.

One by one my hobbies are being regulated out of existence. Drones, shooting, cars.....if they ban golf i'm screwed.
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Old 10-23-2015, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Pikesville, MD
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Yeah, but it's the government we're talking about, they aren't the brightest bulb in the dashboard.

That's why SEMA exists, to make sure that that sort of thing doesn't happen.
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Old 10-23-2015, 11:30 AM
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So that means hooking up an OBD2 scanner would be illegal?
The words "without authorization" cover that. You can use an OBD2 scanner as long as you aren't trying to sneak past yourself and do it without your authorization.

The intent of the law is good. It basically wants to prevent hackers from messing with your ECU which could cause a fatal accident.
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Old 10-23-2015, 11:41 AM
 
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The words "without authorization" cover that. You can use an OBD2 scanner as long as you aren't trying to sneak past yourself and do it without your authorization.

The intent of the law is good. It basically wants to prevent hackers from messing with your ECU which could cause a fatal accident.
Which should actually already be illegal from an existing law, likely more than one.
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Old 10-23-2015, 11:49 AM
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Which should actually already be illegal from an existing law, likely more than one.
In a government of the lawyers, by the lawyers, for the lawyers, it's necessary to increase the number of laws as much as possible, so unemployed lawyers can always get work interpreting those laws.
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Old 10-23-2015, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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The intent of the law is good. It basically wants to prevent hackers from messing with your ECU which could cause a fatal accident.
I know I regularly face hacker attacks on my daily commute and when someone takes control of my ride I freak out and panic rather than taking my Jeep out of gear, coasting off to the side of the road and turning the engine off.
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Old 10-23-2015, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Morrisville, NC
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The words "without authorization" cover that. You can use an OBD2 scanner as long as you aren't trying to sneak past yourself and do it without your authorization.

The intent of the law is good. It basically wants to prevent hackers from messing with your ECU which could cause a fatal accident.
Yeah, better pass a law. That always works!

If someone messed with your ECU causing a fatal accident that would be murder, which last I checked was still actually illegal. I think we still have laws regarding reckless endangerment, assault and many others that would cover non-lethal tampering as well.

If we make a thousand laws each dealing with one little thing, there are bound to be lots of unintended consequences.
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Old 10-23-2015, 02:31 PM
 
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Yeah, that will work, because we already know that no one would dare to break laws in this country
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Old 10-23-2015, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Itinerant
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The words "without authorization" cover that. You can use an OBD2 scanner as long as you aren't trying to sneak past yourself and do it without your authorization.

The intent of the law is good. It basically wants to prevent hackers from messing with your ECU which could cause a fatal accident.
Without authorization would permit the owner to provide authorization. However for vehicles it would depend on the licensing of the software the vehicle is running, you don't own the software, you have a license to use it (and ECU software is company IP so there will be a license of some form). This could mean that the authority does not reside with the cars owner (who is merely a licensee), but the software licenser, which may not even be the vehicle manufacturer who may just be an OEM for a ECU software company.

I don't think it's as simple as you're thinking it is. GM has already stated it owns the software running on your vehicle, so for GM the car owner could not authorize.
General Motors says it owns your car's software
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