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I was dropping off my car at the Lexus dealership and decided to take a stroll in the showroom. I noticed models that are supposed to cover different market segments are all pretty much priced the same; IS, ES, NX and RX were all stickered in the $40-$45K. Saw the LC500 for the first time. That's some beast.
Luxury cars drive me nuts with that nonsense.
Some cars can swing a range of $30k just with options alone leaving so much overlap in their lineup it becomes indistinguishable.
Porsche's 911 lineup alone ranges from $91k to $293k before options. If I’m paying $200k more for my 911 than the base model, I want a completely different car.
I was dropping off my car at the Lexus dealership and decided to take a stroll in the showroom. I noticed models that are supposed to cover different market segments are all pretty much priced the same; IS, ES, NX and RX were all stickered in the $40-$45K. Saw the LC500 for the first time. That's some beast.
Because they cover different segments.
The Buick Lacrosse and BMW 3-series start at around the same price. Not a lot of people cross shop them. Similarly not a lot of people cross shop the Lexus IS and ES for the same reason.
NX starts at 36,000 vs 43,000 for the RX. That's not pretty much the same price.
It depends how many options they load on them. You can be assured you will not find a base model in the showroom. We just bought an RX 350 and it stickered at 44,700 and was a base model. We had to go to a different city for since our local dealer only had loaded models starting at 50+. NX base was 37,900.
A $300k 911 is a completely different car than a $91k 911.
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Originally Posted by Ziggy100
Luxury cars drive me nuts with that nonsense.
Some cars can swing a range of $30k just with options alone leaving so much overlap in their lineup it becomes indistinguishable.
Porsche's 911 lineup alone ranges from $91k to $293k before options. If I’m paying $200k more for my 911 than the base model, I want a completely different car.
A $300k 911 is a completely different car than a $91k 911.
Not to non-car people or people predominantly concerned with the ego emissions of a vehicle. Same problem most performance models have. A Ford Focus RS to 90% of people is just a $15,000 econobox. You'd do better with a base model BMW. A 911 GT2 RS is just a 911. You'd do better with a Ferrari or Lamborghini. Even though I do get the distinction and the lower ego emissions is actually a plus for me, I wouldn't get either a Focus RS or GT2 RS. I'd just rather have a Focus ST or Carrera S or maybe a Turbo if I just didn't care about the money. Maybe if it was a twentieth car I'd look at a GT2 RS but if I had unlimited moneys for a P car something I was going to actually drive on a regular basis, the GT2 RS would not be it whereas I would daily a Carrera S or Turbo if I had the budget to do so. ST/RS is more relevant. I could afford to daily either. I'd rather daily the ST.
Luxury cars drive me nuts with that nonsense.
Some cars can swing a range of $30k just with options alone leaving so much overlap in their lineup it becomes indistinguishable.
Porsche's 911 lineup alone ranges from $91k to $293k before options. If I’m paying $200k more for my 911 than the base model, I want a completely different car.
I'd be content with top of the line GT2RS if I had the $300K, cannot imagine a better handling car for the money ("made it around the Nürburgring Nordschleife circuit in 6 minutes and 47.3 seconds, beating out Lamborghini to become the fastest production car to lap Germany's famed track and the quickest 911 ever built.").
Oh and that is an internally different vehicle from basic $91k 911Carerra, not that there is anything wrong with the "poor man's Carerra"...
Not to non-car people or people predominantly concerned with the ego emissions of a vehicle. Same problem most performance models have. A Ford Focus RS to 90% of people is just a $15,000 econobox. You'd do better with a base model BMW. A 911 GT2 RS is just a 911. You'd do better with a Ferrari or Lamborghini. Even though I do get the distinction and the lower ego emissions is actually a plus for me, I wouldn't get either a Focus RS or GT2 RS. I'd just rather have a Focus ST or Carrera S or maybe a Turbo if I just didn't care about the money. Maybe if it was a twentieth car I'd look at a GT2 RS but if I had unlimited moneys for a P car something I was going to actually drive on a regular basis, the GT2 RS would not be it whereas I would daily a Carrera S or Turbo if I had the budget to do so. ST/RS is more relevant. I could afford to daily either. I'd rather daily the ST.
Yep. It’s essentially the same car with an additional $200k to buy you an additional 2 seconds in a quarter mile. That’s $100k a second. You would think Porsche would at least try to make their $300k car look more exclusive than their $90k car.
A $300k 911 is a completely different car than a $91k 911.
I agree. Not entirely sure I feel the same way about a Lexus ES though...
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Originally Posted by Malloric
Not to non-car people or people predominantly concerned with the ego emissions of a vehicle. Same problem most performance models have. A Ford Focus RS to 90% of people is just a $15,000 econobox. You'd do better with a base model BMW. A 911 GT2 RS is just a 911. You'd do better with a Ferrari or Lamborghini. Even though I do get the distinction and the lower ego emissions is actually a plus for me, I wouldn't get either a Focus RS or GT2 RS. I'd just rather have a Focus ST or Carrera S or maybe a Turbo if I just didn't care about the money. Maybe if it was a twentieth car I'd look at a GT2 RS but if I had unlimited moneys for a P car something I was going to actually drive on a regular basis, the GT2 RS would not be it whereas I would daily a Carrera S or Turbo if I had the budget to do so. ST/RS is more relevant. I could afford to daily either. I'd rather daily the ST.
Unless you needed to rely on it to get you to work.
The difference between Porsche and a Lambo or Ferrari is that you can drive it to work everyday.
Go around an office park or a Hospital and you will see C-Level people that daily 911's. You don't do that with a Ferrari, not unless you have a Chauffeur on speed dial.
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