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I was driving through Brainerd, MN. A smallish town in central Minnesota and there were thousands of VW's filled the empty lots of a closed paper mill. The mill has been closed for about 15 years or so. There are railroad tracks that go through there. If you watch the video you will see a body of water, the Mississippi River is right next to the mill. When I drove by a few months ago I didn't notice the cars so it probably started recently.
Maybe be able to pick a fixed VW's cheap soon. I was thinking they may just resell them in another country cheaper than fixing.
I was driving through Brainerd, MN. A smallish town in central Minnesota and there were thousands of VW's filled the empty lots of a closed paper mill. The mill has been closed for about 15 years or so. There are railroad tracks that go through there. If you watch the video you will see a body of water, the Mississippi River is right next to the mill. When I drove by a few months ago I didn't notice the cars so it probably started recently.
Maybe be able to pick a fixed VW's cheap soon. I was thinking they may just resell them in another country cheaper than fixing.
"I was thinking they may just resell them in another country cheaper than fixing."
I would think that's almost a given especially since they are diesels. Only drawback would be that the OEM suspension is probably insufficient for many places with rough roads. I could see swaths of these in Kenya, Namibia, Argentina.
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These will not be resold ANYWHERE without modifications (The CARB suit made certain of that)
I enjoyed the public radio blurb that described how people were making VERY good income buying these from non-VW dealers and selling them back to VW. One guy made $238k! He mortgaged his home and very soon had it paid off! He was buying over 20 cars on the day of the broadcast alone!.
Too bad,,, instead of the PO getting 50 mpg and making a micro dent in Fossil fuels and emissions over life of the car... they will be buying and using far less efficient vehicles for the next decades.
50 mpg since 1976... no dinosaurs or toxic batteries required.
These will not be resold ANYWHERE without modifications (The CARB suit made certain of that)
I enjoyed the public radio blurb that described how people were making VERY good income buying these from non-VW dealers and selling them back to VW. One guy made $238k! He mortgaged his home and very soon had it paid off! He was buying over 20 cars on the day of the broadcast alone!.
Too bad,,, instead of the PO getting 50 mpg and making a micro dent in Fossil fuels and emissions over life of the car... they will be buying and using far less efficient vehicles for the next decades.
50 mpg since 1976... no dinosaurs or toxic batteries required.
At least half of them are now eligible for resale after the emissions problem is fixed and the cars themselves are reconditioned. A lot of them that were turned in by previous owners had been badly neglected.
So when these cars go on sale, not only will they be fixed up but they should also come with an extended warranty. And the prices should be very reasonable.
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These will not be resold ANYWHERE without modifications (The CARB suit made certain of that)
I enjoyed the public radio blurb that described how people were making VERY good income buying these from non-VW dealers and selling them back to VW. One guy made $238k! He mortgaged his home and very soon had it paid off! He was buying over 20 cars on the day of the broadcast alone!.
Too bad,,, instead of the PO getting 50 mpg and making a micro dent in Fossil fuels and emissions over life of the car... they will be buying and using far less efficient vehicles for the next decades.
50 mpg since 1976... no dinosaurs or toxic batteries required.
The ruling stated:
'Settling Defendants may not export or arrange for the export of 2.0 Liter Subject Vehicles, unless such vehicle has been modified in accordance with the applicable Approved Emissions Modification ...'
However, it doesn't say what country's applicable modification. Just that it has to meet the emissions requirements for where it was exported to. Legal grey areas like this always result in the most liberal viewpoint being law. So, if they were exported to a country without current leading practice emissions laws (such as Euro 6), or where laws like this don't apply to used vehicles, it may very well fly. Countries such as Australia, South Africa, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and I'm sure many others in the 3rd world have much lower standards (Euro 1 or 2, or less) than the US and these cars would most likely meet or exceed the local emission regs. Based on the research I have done, these recalled cars would have passed the Euro 3 standard which would allow them to be sold in Russia as well.
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The ruling stated:
'Settling Defendants may not export or arrange for the export of 2.0 Liter Subject Vehicles, unless such vehicle has been modified in accordance with the applicable Approved Emissions Modification ...'
However, it doesn't say what country's applicable modification. Just that it has to meet the emissions requirements for where it was exported to. Legal grey areas like this always result in the most liberal viewpoint being law. So, if they were exported to a country without current leading practice emissions laws (such as Euro 6), or where laws like this don't apply to used vehicles, it may very well fly. Countries such as Australia, South Africa, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and I'm sure many others in the 3rd world have much lower standards (Euro 1 or 2, or less) than the US and these cars would most likely meet or exceed the local emission regs. Based on the research I have done, these recalled cars would have passed the Euro 3 standard which would allow them to be sold in Russia as well.
Some of the countries you list are Right Hand drive Cars / Left hand drive roads...Brazil / Argentina may allow a few, but Europe doesn't want a bunch of de-tuned wimpy slugs. Russian's would not tolerate de-tuned iron, and certainly not USA spec AUTOMATICS! Who would want those? (No-one)
I expect VW will use it as a 'write-off' and most will be shredded.
China has it's own revenue / import issues, so they are not going there (They don't want / drive automatics either)
Their (VW-D) toast (and scrap metal prices will reflect that). Pretty sad, since just my lowly evil VW 'all-by-itself' has 'conserved' 60,000 gal of dino fuel for others to waste... Multiply that by 500,000 and you have something almost significant! (about the same as downsizing 2M guzzling SUV's) https://www.wired.com/2016/04/vws-bl...alled-diesels/
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Some of the countries you list are Right Hand drive Cars / Left hand drive roads...Brazil / Argentina may allow a few, but Europe doesn't want a bunch of de-tuned wimpy slugs. Russian's would not tolerate de-tuned iron, and certainly not USA spec AUTOMATICS! Who would want those? (No-one)
I expect VW will use it as a 'write-off' and most will be shredded.
China has it's own revenue / import issues, so they are not going there (They don't want / drive automatics either)
Their (VW-D) toast (and scrap metal prices will reflect that). Pretty sad, since just my lowly evil VW 'all-by-itself' has 'conserved' 60,000 gal of dino fuel for others to waste... Multiply that by 500,000 and you have something almost significant! (about the same as downsizing 2M guzzling SUV's) https://www.wired.com/2016/04/vws-bl...alled-diesels/
In Russia, given the tax structure for new cars, I would bet these could be imported and sold in a minute. And Russians buy these kinds of cars all day long, atleast from what I've seen traveling in Moscow and St. Pete.
They would not need to be detuned in any way since they already exceed or meet the emission regs in these countries. The recalled cars were supposed to meet Euro 6 standards. They obviously didn't. But they do meet Euro 3 standards, and in a lot of countries that is plenty good enough.
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Who would want those? (No-one)
