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Old 07-03-2020, 06:11 AM
 
Location: Podunk, IA
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you had a mitsubishi miata? don't think I have seen one of those.

FYI, I am pretty sure they aren't making cars in the US anymore. they still make like 2-3 small SUVs, but that's it.
I've had two Japan-built vehicles. Montero was first. Mazda Miata was 2nd. Lexus GX may be the 3rd.

All Mitsubishis are made in Japan now. They have three CUVs and the Mirage. The Outlander is not small.
I've driven the PHEV and it's pretty good. It's the best selling PHEV in the UK, pretty popular over there.

They should've never stopped selling the Pajero (Montero) over here. That was where they really screwed up.
It was a credible (and reliable) knockoff of a Land Rover, turf they should've never ceded.
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Old 07-03-2020, 10:06 AM
 
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Here is the real world report 2010 2015 2018 Toyota’s all 4cyl. Not one has ever had a repair besides breaks and a battery for the 10. The 03 I sold with 197k miles on it. 2 o2 sensors, starter, alternator, brakes, battery.

The real world verdict Toyota’s are great cars.
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Old 07-03-2020, 10:22 AM
 
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Of course, it’s best to buy a European luxury brand that has come off lease where it has depreciated like a stone. A lot of those see 70% depreciation at 5 years.
People lease such vehicles for a reason.
They are unreliable.

Compare two auto seats. Which one is more reliable:
1. a beige-leather seat with 15 electric motors to change positions - $300 per motor, $1,500 to change the leather cover.
2. a cloth manual-adjustment seat - $200 for a new cloth cover.
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Old 07-03-2020, 10:26 AM
 
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Here is the real world report 2010 2015 2018 Toyota’s all 4cyl. Not one has ever had a repair besides breaks and a battery for the 10. The 03 I sold with 197k miles on it. 2 o2 sensors, starter, alternator, brakes, battery.

The real world verdict Toyota’s are great cars.
Does it mean that the next person who bought the vehicle with 197k miles has to fix everything? Starting from the bad steering wheel, then the sagging seat, then all hoses, then the head gasket...
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Old 07-03-2020, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Podunk, IA
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People lease such vehicles for a reason.
They are unreliable.

Compare two auto seats. Which one is more reliable:
1. a beige-leather seat with 15 electric motors to change positions - $300 per motor, $1,500 to change the leather cover.
2. a cloth manual-adjustment seat - $200 for a new cloth cover.
I've never had a power seat fail.
Quality leather (not the cheap crap) will easily outlast cloth.
I am not riding in a crappy seat due to repair paranoia.
It's cheaper to repair a seat than to repair my back.
I don't skimp on seats.
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Old 07-03-2020, 12:06 PM
 
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I've never had a power seat fail.
Quality leather (not the cheap crap) will easily outlast cloth.
I am not riding in a crappy seat due to repair paranoia.
It's cheaper to repair a seat than to repair my back.
I don't skimp on seats.
Why won't you go to a skilled craftsman who will measure your posture in every possible way and create an individually styled seat then?

I guess if you buy a nice Rolls Royce, they will install a customized seat for a tiny slim lady and a different one for a big burly guy.
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Old 07-03-2020, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Here and there, you decide.
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the lower initial cost, the lower 5 year ownership costs. I bought a 2007 toyota RAV4 for $7500. I bet I could sell it for $5000 in 5 years. the depreciation curve has flattened on that vehicle. what hurts mitsubishi and fiat are their pricier vehicles. as a brand, they don't hold value. all of these "studies" and new car lists are just a joke. I mean, this is a 5 year ownership forecast on 2020 vehicles. there's simply no logic to that.
Absolutely. The trick is to buy the car when it flattens the curve.
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Old 07-03-2020, 01:17 PM
 
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Neat story about Fiat. Still way too many trivial problems in that review, but if you get it cheap enough....

I'm in the staunchly pro-Toyota crowd who thinks Fiats and Mitsu's are less than's (but generally no worse than Brand X domestics), and Toyota's are worth every penny of their resale value.
However, I'm handy and I like oddball stuff for the sake of being different. Fiat gets points for that, so while I may sing the praises of a particular brand on here, it wouldn't be out of character to see me running around town in some Euro-thing just because.

Fiat uses Aisin (that's the brand for those who don't know) transmissions, I think, and they make transmissions for a LOT of different makes and models. Pretty good for the most part.
Honda has never really figured out the CVT. Sad for a company that was known for being among the best at one time. Still far from the worst, but now you have to be more selective about which Honda you get.
Except they don’t make the 500 any more. I believe last year was 2019 and stickers were over $21k. Even with 4K off, I would never pay 17 for a 500
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Old 07-03-2020, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Podunk, IA
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Why won't you go to a skilled craftsman who will measure your posture in every possible way and create an individually styled seat then?

I guess if you buy a nice Rolls Royce, they will install a customized seat for a tiny slim lady and a different one for a big burly guy.
The same person isn't always sitting in the seat, so that isn't any kind of solution.

I just buy the car with seats that move every which way. Then they can fit anyone.
Plus, I want the seat to remember where it was set... for both the driver and the passenger.

The seats in the wife's Cadillac deliver on both counts. They are all day comfortable.
Even in that car, there are three levels of seats. The Platinum seats are a cut above.

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Absolutely. The trick is to buy the car when it flattens the curve.
Luxury cars do this even better than regular cars.
I've had a bunch of them... buy at the bottom of the curve, drive for a few years, then sell it and get a different one.
One they hit the bottom of the curve, they depreciate very little and end up being a cheap ride.

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Old 07-03-2020, 07:08 PM
 
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Except they don’t make the 500 any more. I believe last year was 2019 and stickers were over $21k. Even with 4K off, I would never pay 17 for a 500
I believe you're late.
Almost all 2019 Fiat 500s have been sold out.

All new 2020 model Fiats have been sold out in Europe.


You may check the boxy Renegade from Fiat, it's pretty popular.
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