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Anyone watch it tonight on discovery, they flew a 727, had pilots jump out DB cooper style then remotely crash landed it. Breaking it down piece by piece.
I saw that. To my mind the crash is not typical of the vast majority of accident impacts if you study the Accident Safety Database for example.
They make generalisations about survivability + seat you are sitting in, but this is useless based on only one impact type. Planes crash in many different ways and the seat you're in means nothing to whether you're likely to survive a crash.
I would trust the results FOR and ONLY FOR, a crash based on a stable decent on to a flat smooth, no obstical desert. However, in most crashes, a boulder, tree, sign, uneven ground, dropp offs, out croppings, buidings, vehicles, change of surafce material, ditched, berms, etc, etc, etc all changes the dynamics of a crash so, it was a good demo for that specific crash, but not something I would expect from another crash.
I saw that. To my mind the crash is not typical of the vast majority of accident impacts if you study the Accident Safety Database for example.
They make generalisations about survivability + seat you are sitting in, but this is useless based on only one impact type. Planes crash in many different ways and the seat you're in means nothing to whether you're likely to survive a crash.
I agree completely; this was nothing more in my mind, than an expensive stunt designed to gather a few useful data points and nothing more. How many crashes in the past had beautifully controlled descent into a wide open desert? Look to UA flight 232 that crashed in Sioux City, Iowa in 1989; replicate that and they'll have something to study.
It was sad to see a 727 crash like that. So, a boneyard would not be a place I'd want to visit. There were no real surprises as far as what happened. There have been survivable crashes before. United 232 comes to mind. To compare United 232 crash to the findings of the "experts" on the program, the findings were seemingly paradoxical.
how many different ways and systems can fail leading to a crash?
The 727 is such a pretty plane. I can away from the program with more questions and fewer questions answered.
I would trust the results FOR and ONLY FOR, a crash based on a stable decent on to a flat smooth, no obstical desert. However, in most crashes, a boulder, tree, sign, uneven ground, dropp offs, out croppings, buidings, vehicles, change of surafce material, ditched, berms, etc, etc, etc all changes the dynamics of a crash so, it was a good demo for that specific crash, but not something I would expect from another crash.
Yep. I'm always amazed at how what I can only describe as bad luck often magnifies the destruction in crashes. The L-1011 that crashed in Dallas. Everyone might have walked away from that crash had it not smashed in to a water tower. The rest of the path was clear. The plane that crashed near Mt. Weather in the early 70s. Flew right in to a big bolder that ripped the plane open like a sardine can. The most horrific example of this was the Southern Air DC-9 that did the emergency landing in Georgia. It was a near text book crash landing, except for being thrown right in to a gas station after the wing clipped a telephone poll. Sometimes it seems that a flight is simply doomed no matter what.
I did think the odd thing of the 727 crash was how the front simply ripped off and got rolled under the plane. I guess this is why I don't like to fly in first class.
I would trust the results FOR and ONLY FOR, a crash based on a stable decent on to a flat smooth, no obstical desert. However, in most crashes, a boulder, tree, sign, uneven ground, dropp offs, out croppings, buidings, vehicles, change of surafce material, ditched, berms, etc, etc, etc all changes the dynamics of a crash so, it was a good demo for that specific crash, but not something I would expect from another crash.
Well, if anyone is interesting, Yuri (PacificFlights) was 100% correct in his assessment of this televised experiment. Unfortunately, he lost his life in a horrible aircraft accident late last year that shows how a simple ditch, pole, or rock can turn a crash landing into a fatal death roll.
Well, if anyone is interesting, Yuri (PacificFlights) was 100% correct in his assessment of this televised experiment. Unfortunately, he lost his life in a horrible aircraft accident late last year that shows how a simple ditch, pole, or rock can turn a crash landing into a fatal death roll.
Am I understanding this correctly, PacificFlights died in an aircraft accident last year, possibly in October. What happened, since you brought it up, and I have traded posts with him.
I'm stunned. If this is true, condolences to his friends and family.
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