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Emirates recently celebrated its 50th A380, but that doesn't exactly provide much remedy for the A380's relatively poor sales. The Boeing 787, despite all the problems it's been having, has done better on the market, and is expected to have 1057 planes in operation after all current orders are processed (as opposed to A380's 318 planes). Sign of the times to come for the A380, or just a fluke? I'd hate to see the A380 go, it's a much better plane than the Boeing 787 in my opinion.
The Boeing 787, despite all the problems it's been having, has done better on the market, and is expected to have 1057 planes in operation after all current orders are processed (as opposed to A380's 318 planes).
The 787 has 1,057 orders with 170 deliveries (but only 3 were delivered in 2011) orders began in 2004,
The 380 has 318 orders with 138 deliveries (only 1 was delivered in 2007) orders began in 2000.
So they are not in the same ballpark at all. Half of the A380's are run by Emirates and Singapore Air, and they are also roughly half the orders.
Emirates has made it pretty clear that they intend to keep a super young fleet and they will be returning the leased aircraft when their 12 year lease comes up.
So while you may be correct about it being a fine aircraft, I am afraid that Airbus will make these remaining 180 airframes on order, and at that time the Emirates A380 aircraft will become available for lease. At this point, Airbus will have to shut down their production line and take the loss because the old jets will cover the market.
Isn't the A380 about twice as big (# of passengers) as the 787? So, is it a fair comparison?
You are correct that they shouldn't be compared 1:1. The true competitor to the Airbus 380 is the Boeing 747-8 for which they are hardly getting any orders for at all (about 50).
But Boeing is delivering about eight B787 per month right now, while Airbus is delivering roughly 2 A380 per month. And Boeing did not gamble billions in development costs to modify the B747. Airbus needs to deliver about four times as many airframes as it has done since 2007 just to break even.
I don't think one airline has ever purchased more than 40% of the available production of a given model. It makes the future of Airbus extraordinarily linked to Emirates Airline. Fortunately, Emirates is very profitable right now, and the A380 help give the airline it's distinctive feel.
Delta said it was evaluating widebody aircraft opportunities with a request for proposals for up to 50 planes.It has over 100 Boeing 747-400 and 767-300ER jets, which have an average age of some 20 years and burn much more fuel. Despite resolutely saying that they will not fly the A380, Airbus is still hoping to change their mind. Of the legacy US airlines (United, American, Delta) Delta, as the airline that carries more passengers than anyone else in the world (120.6 million) is in the best position to use the larger jets.
Delta said it was evaluating widebody aircraft opportunities with a request for proposals for up to 50 planes.It has over 100 Boeing 747-400 and 767-300ER jets, which have an average age of some 20 years and burn much more fuel. Despite resolutely saying that they will not fly the A380, Airbus is still hoping to change their mind. Of the legacy US airlines (United, American, Delta) Delta, as the airline that carries more passengers than anyone else in the world (120.6 million) is in the best position to use the larger jets.
Northwest had 10 747-400s, I believe. Now they are Delta's aircraft. Delta didn't have any before that. That means Delta has only 10, not 100. I'm sure the 763s are part of that 100 number, but it isn't clear from the way you wrote it that only 10% of that number is 744s. If Delta is going to get the A380, it will be to replace 744s and not 767s, or so I think. I don't see Delta ordering any A380s considering their history of only flying 747s that they acquired in mergers.
The 787 has 1,057 orders with 170 deliveries (but only 3 were delivered in 2011) orders began in 2004,
The 380 has 318 orders with 138 deliveries (only 1 was delivered in 2007) orders began in 2000.
So they are not in the same ballpark at all. Half of the A380's are run by Emirates and Singapore Air, and they are also roughly half the orders.
Emirates has made it pretty clear that they intend to keep a super young fleet and they will be returning the leased aircraft when their 12 year lease comes up.
So while you may be correct about it being a fine aircraft, I am afraid that Airbus will make these remaining 180 airframes on order, and at that time the Emirates A380 aircraft will become available for lease. At this point, Airbus will have to shut down their production line and take the loss because the old jets will cover the market.
I think you may want to double check your research. Please visit Wiki B787. Between 2007 and the launch of the -10, the B787 sold a measly 31 aircraft. Hardly a top seller in recent years. [url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/07e9341e124a443a53e5bd2014a7e453.png[/url] As for the A380 please visit the comparable chart. I think you will find all this press stuff is over inflated. You will see that the A380 has in fact a very nice progression of sales [url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/ca8baf8b611a99d05951ee1bf59ab6bd.png[/url]
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Northwest had 10 747-400s, I believe. Now they are Delta's aircraft. Delta didn't have any before that. That means Delta has only 10, not 100. I'm sure the 763s are part of that 100 number, but it isn't clear from the way you wrote it that only 10% of that number is 744s. If Delta is going to get the A380, it will be to replace 744s and not 767s, or so I think. I don't see Delta ordering any A380s considering their history of only flying 747s that they acquired in mergers.
Yes, the 100 includes the 767's. But in theory they could consolidate or grow some routes with the larger jets.
But, yes your comments are consistent with what Delta has been saying. But Airbus keeps sweetening the deal hoping to change the mind of Edward H. Bastian , president of Delta Air Lines.
Without Delta, the following airlines are the only ones to place an order (other than the 11 that are already flying them) . Air Austral flies to the Seychelles Islands, and are the only company to seriously consider an all economy class configuration for the A380 (over 800 seats). Virgin signed up for 6 aircraft back in 2000 and were the final order before Airbus gave the go-ahead to begin production. They have been delaying the order ever since.
There are 138 airframes flying (half to Emirates and Singapore Air and the other half to 9 other airlines). These same airlines have another 117 aircraft on order (90 to Emirates)
These 6 companies have orders that do not currently operate the A380
20 AMEDEO (Irish leasing company)
10 ETIHAD AIRWAYS
10 QATAR AIRWAYS
6 VIRGIN ATLANTIC
4 TRANSAERO AIRLINES
2 AIR AUSTRAL
11 private & undisclosed
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