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Old 09-02-2017, 09:53 PM
 
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The next G-7 summit meeting will be held in Quebec at the elegant 1929 resort at Casino de Charlevoix, 183 Rue Richelieu, La Malbaie, QC G5A 1X8, Canada.

There is a private 4500' runway about four miles away, and there is a 9000' runway in Quebec City Airport about 100 miles away.

Of the G-7 countries Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United Kingdom, and the United States do they all fly over in large planes, or do they lease a business jet and land on the resort runway?

United Kingdom has no government jets, so presumably they can lease a business jet.

It's a quick trip for President Trump (about 700 miles) so he could easily come up in Gulfstream, but I don't know if he would consider that unworthy of a summit.

It would seem like a gracious thing to do, as Presidential jets tie up public airports. It's a small airport (1.6 MAP), but it is difficult when flights are shut down.

I suppose the other alternative is to fly to Loring Air Force Base in Maine, an take a helicopter the 120 miles to the resort.
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Old 09-02-2017, 10:18 PM
 
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The President's 747 can use shorter runways than the typical 747 carrying the same amount of weight. If it's still too big, they will use the 757.
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Old 09-02-2017, 11:27 PM
 
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considering how many aircraft that fly with the president, chances are they will fly into the longer runway, and use choppers to get closer. and probably use a c130 to fly the necessary vehicles into the closer airport.
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Old 09-03-2017, 12:10 AM
 
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I expect they will fly to the Quebec City airport and then drive or helicopter in to La Malbaie.

With small airports it's not just the length but also whether they can handle the weight.

A C-17 accompaning Bush in 2005 damaged the Las Cruces, NM runway.
https://www.abqjournal.com/news/stat...ir10-04-05.htm

Air Force One damaged a Canberra, Australia runway in 2006.
Bush jet tears up the runway ... literally - National - smh.com.au

And in 2010 the Presidential motorcade, meeting Marine One, damaged a runway in Massachusetts.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ob...78S3XB20110929

"A tiny Massachusetts airport is suing the U.S. Secret Service saying an unauthorized motorcade for President Barack Obama last year caused $676,000 in damage to its one and only airstrip.

That’s because the array of vehicles, including SUVs, fire trucks, armed limousines and police cars, that met the Marine One helicopter when it landed on April 1, 2010, wrecked the 1,682-foot asphalt runway and surrounding turf,
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Old 09-03-2017, 07:26 AM
 
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I expect they will fly to the Quebec City airport and then drive or helicopter in to La Malbaie.
Charlevoix Airport (YML), 4 miles from the resort, has a 4,501' runway. It's a fancy resort, and I am sure the runway is suitable for smaller business jets.

Quebec City Airport (YQB) is about 82 miles away with a 9000' runway while Loring AFB (LIZ) in Maine is about 116 miles away with a 12,100 ft Asphalt/Concrete runway. I don't know if that is considered undignified to take a helo over the border, but I understand the DJT did not sleep in the 19th century hotel in Sicily with the other heads of state. Instead he stayed at the US air force based in Sigonella, and they brought him in every day by helicopter.

Of course, the PM of Japan also has a B747, and the French President has a Dassault Falcon 7X which has a MTOW of 70,000 lbs and requires 5,710 ft for takeoff. But the level of security is probably less than for the POTUS.

http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=adw-liz%0...X=540x540&PM=*

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Old 09-03-2017, 07:35 AM
 
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Trump can decide where he wants to go. The security people will decide how he gets there.
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Old 09-03-2017, 08:48 AM
 
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Trump can decide where he wants to go. The security people will decide how he gets there.
Yes, of course.

But just out of curiosity we observe that the each nation in the G-8 or G-7 holds a summit every 7 or 8 years. There is a natural tendency to want to show off the most fabulous resorts of the country. Italy wants to show off a town built 2500 years ago, but Canada would want to show off it's wilderness resorts. There is a natural tendency to want to get more and more remote and exotic.

The problem is that over the decades the jets get bigger and bigger, the crowds of protesters grows larger, and the support staff becomes massive.

Canada
7th 20–21 July 1981 Pierre E. Trudeau Montebello, Québec OTTAWA
14th 19–21 June 1988 Brian Mulroney Toronto, Ontario TORONTO
21st 15–17 June 1995 Jean Chrétien Halifax, Nova Scotia HALIFAX
28th 26–27 June 2002 Jean Chrétien Kananaskis, Alberta CALGARY
36th 25–26 June 2010 Stephen Harper Huntsville, Ontario North Bay/Jack Garland Airport

The 2010 summit was able to use the Jack Garland Airport, a general aviation and industrial airport with a 10,000' runway. It was about 90 miles from the resort, but there were good highways and you weren't going through an urban center.

I just now realized that there is a military base, Canadian Forces Base Bagotville (YBG) which is about 100 miles away from Casino de Charlevoix. They have a 10,000' runway and it is possible that they can arrange helicopter rides to the resort instead of automobile convoys.

Millions Annual Air Passengers Canadian
44.34 Toronto Pearson International Airport
22.29 Vancouver International Airport
16.59 Montréal–Pierre Elliott Trudeau International Airport
15.68 Calgary International Airport
7.52 Edmonton International Airport
4.74 Ottawa Macdonald–Cartier International Airport
4.02 Winnipeg James Armstrong Richardson International Airport
3.91 Halifax Stanfield International Airport
2.70 Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport
1.86 Victoria International Airport
1.73 Kelowna International Airport
1.62 Québec City Jean Lesage International Airport
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Old 09-03-2017, 09:06 AM
 
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Quebecair used to fly there in the 1970's (Fridays & Sundays) with Fairchild (Fokker) F-27s

Intair - Inter-Canadien (1) - Quebecair
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Old 09-03-2017, 04:14 PM
 
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http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=ybg-yml%0...X=540x540&PM=*

The more I think about it, the more likely it is that the head of state jets will land at the military base (YBQ) and they will helo 63 miles to the resort mini-airport (YML). The Quebec City airport may simply see more traffic than normal, but it will be reporters and staff. I don't think they want to shut down a relatively small municipal airport.

But the meeting that comes before Canada is on March 23–25, in Lima Peru. The Summit of the Americas usually draws massive violent crowds to protest. I don't imagine they will come anywhere near a public airport.

Las Palmas Air Base is a military airport city of Lima, Peru. It has a 7500' runway for landing, but an 8000' runway for takeoffs. That should be adequate.
http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=adw-splp&...X=540x540&PM=*

The next question is that the best hotel in Lima has only two Presidential suites (2500 square feet). There are a 22 Presidents, 12 Prime Ministers and 1 Chancellor who attended the last summit held in Panama City, Panama, on April 10 – 11, 2015.
  1. United States of America President Barack Obama
  2. Brazil President Dilma Rousseff
  3. Mexico President Enrique Peña Nieto
  4. Peru President Ollanta Humala
  5. Argentina President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner
  6. Uruguay President Tabaré Vázquez
  7. Venezuela President Nicolás Maduro
  8. Paraguay President Horacio Cartes
  9. Bolivia President Evo Morales
  10. Ecuador President Rafael Correa
  11. Colombia President Juan Manuel Santos
  12. Suriname President Dési Bouterse
  13. Guyana President Donald Ramotar
  14. Honduras President Juan Orlando Hernández
  15. Nicaragua President Daniel Ortega
  16. Panama President Juan Carlos Varela
  17. El Salvador President Salvador Sánchez Cerén
  18. Costa Rica President Luis Guillermo Solís
  19. Guatemala President Otto Pérez Molina
  20. Cuba President Raúl Castro
  21. Dominican Republic President Danilo Medina
  22. Haiti President Michel Joseph Martelly
  23. Chile Chancellor Heraldo Muñoz
  24. Canada Prime Minister Stephen Harper
  25. Belize Prime Minister Dean Barrow
  26. Jamaica Prime Minister Portia Simpson Miller
  27. Antigua and Barbuda Prime Minister Gaston Browne
  28. Bahamas Prime Minister Perry Christie
  29. Barbados Prime Minister Freundel Stuart
  30. Dominica Prime Minister Roosevelt Skerrit
  31. Grenada Prime Minister Keith Mitchell
  32. Saint Kitts and Nevis Prime Minister Timothy Harris
  33. Saint Lucia Prime Minister Kenny Anthony
  34. Saint Vincent and the Grenadines Prime Minister Ralph Gonsalves
  35. Trinidad and Tobago Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar
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Old 09-18-2017, 12:14 PM
 
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Charlevoix Airport (YML), 4 miles from the resort, has a 4,501' runway. It's a fancy resort, and I am sure the runway is suitable for smaller business jets.

Quebec City Airport (YQB) is about 82 miles away with a 9000' runway while Loring AFB (LIZ) in Maine is about 116 miles away with a 12,100 ft Asphalt/Concrete runway. I don't know if that is considered undignified to take a helo over the border, but I understand the DJT did not sleep in the 19th century hotel in Sicily with the other heads of state. Instead he stayed at the US air force based in Sigonella, and they brought him in every day by helicopter.

Of course, the PM of Japan also has a B747, and the French President has a Dassault Falcon 7X which has a MTOW of 70,000 lbs and requires 5,710 ft for takeoff. But the level of security is probably less than for the POTUS.

http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=adw-liz%0...X=540x540&PM=*
He is not going to go to Loring, it is for all intents and purposes abandoned, with no approaches available.

I would imagine the world leaders will go to YQB and helo directly to the conference
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