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What I don't understand is that Delta bought up to 49% of Aeromexico earlier this year.
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Aero Mexico's oldest
737-752 07 Oct 2003
737-852 07 Sep 2006
777-2Q8ER 22 Mar 2006 leased from ILFC - Named Frida Kahlo
The B767s were retired within the last two years, and one of B777s was retired, the other three are due to be returned shortly.
In their place is a new fleet of Dreamliners (14 so far) but more awaiting delivery)
So Delta's average age is 17.1 years, but Aeromexico's oldest plane is 14 years old.
Aeromexico retired it's B767s as too old and replaced them with Dreamliners, but
Delta has a B767 that is 27.4 years old, a B757 which is 29.8 years old and a MD-88 which is 30.6 years old.
If it is so economical for Delta to run very old planes, then why doesn't Aeromexico do the same thing? Which is the first world country?
Delta
7 Boeing 747 average age 26.3 years
125 Boeing 757 average age 20.0 years
82 Boeing 767 average age 20.3 years
18 Boeing 777 average age 12.6 years
168 Boeing 737 Next Gen average age 8.9 years
AeroMexico
3 Boeing 777 average age 13.0 years (to be retired)
14 Boeing 787 average age 2.3 years
Remember that a lot of Northwest people are at Delta and ran maintenance practices at NW with the DC9s that are now keeping a lot of 25+ 757 still around and the M88s on life support. Great merger of the minds if you ask me.
Well I heard that Delta makes it a policy to acquire used aircraft (particularly the narrow bodies) at lower prices. Combined with their technical & maintenance operations, which is one of the tops in the industry
Well I heard that Delta makes it a policy to acquire used aircraft (particularly the narrow bodies) at lower prices. Combined with their technical & maintenance operations, which is one of the tops in the industry
Sometimes you wonder how USA airlines ended up with such small old jets flying international routes in or out of USA.
Average number of seat per aircraft on flights to or from USA
387 XL Airways France
378 Emirates
361 Qantas Airways Ltd.
349 Virgin Blue International Airlines t/a V Australia
348 Egyptair
336 Aeroflot Russian Airlines
335 Jetstar Airways Pty Limited
324 National Aviation Company of India Limited d/b/a Air India
322 Thomas Cook Airlines Uk Ltd.
321 Saudi Arabian Airlines Corp
320 Compagnie Natl Air France
319 Air New Zealand
319 Turk Hava Yollari A.O.
317 Britannia Airways Ltd.
317 Virgin Atlantic Airways
316 Etihad Airways
314 El Al Israel Airlines Ltd.
310 Pakistan International Airlines
310 Eurowings GmbH
306 TUI Airlines Nederland B.V.
306 Edelweiss Air Ag
303 Lufthansa German Airlines
303 Philippine Airlines Inc.
301 Iberia Air Lines Of Spain
299 Klm Royal Dutch Airlines
296 China Eastern Airlines
294 Air Tahiti Nui
294 Air Europa
292 Norwegian Air Shuttle ASA
291 Hawaiian Airlines Inc.
288 South African Airways
288 Ethiopian Airlines
288 Jet Airways (India) Limited
287 Hong Kong Airlines Limited
287 Air Berlin PLC and CO
286 Sichuan Airlines Co Ltd.
284 Qatar Airways (Q.C.S.C)
283 Finnair Oy
280 British Airways Plc
277 Brussels Airlines N.V.
277 Meridiana S.p.A
275 Aerolineas Argentinas
275 Transportes Aeros Meridiona
274 TUI Airlines Belgium N.V. d/b/a Jetairfly
274 Royal Air Maroc
274 Kuwait Airways Corp.
273 Singapore Airlines Ltd.
272 Uzbekistan Airways
270 Austrian Airlines
269 Air China
265 Titan Airways
265 Tap-Portuguese Airlines
265 Aer Lingus Plc
264 Ukraine International Airlines
262 Azul Linhas Aereas Brazileiras S A
259 WOW Air ehf
259 Alia-(The) Royal Jordanian
259 Eva Airways Corporation
257 Compagnia Aerea Italiana
255 Condor Flugdienst
254 Air Serbia
254 Sata Internacional
252 Taca Peru
249 Polskie Linie Lotnicze
241 Scandinavian Airlines Sys.
240 Swiss International Airlines
239 Korean Air Lines Co. Ltd.
239 Tame Linea Aerea del Ecuador Tme EP
238 Dynamic Airways, LLC
238 Air Pacific Ltd.
236 Xiamen Airlines Co., Ltd.
235 All Nippon Airways Co.
234 Hainan Airlines Company Limited
233 Aerovias de Intergracian Regional
230 Asiana Airlines Inc.
228 Santa Barbara Airlines, C.A
227 Jet2.com
224 Fly Jamaica Airways Limited
224 Japan Air Lines Co. Ltd.
222 Arik Air International
221 China Southern Airlines
216 Lan Peru Airlines
215 LAN Argentina
210 Transportes Aereos De Cabo
210 Azerbaijan Airlines CJSC
208 Air Transat
208 Air Japan Co
204 Lan-Chile Airlines
203 China Airlines Ltd.
201 Delta Air Lines Inc.
200 Omni Air Express
198 United Air Lines Inc.
195 Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd.
191 Air Canada rouge LP
191 Icelandair
189 Eastar Jet Co Ltd.
189 Frontier Airlines Inc.
188 Jeju Air Co Ltd.
186 Jin Air Co Ltd.
186 Lan Ecuador
184 Sunwing Airlines Inc.
184 American Airlines Inc.
182 Spirit Air Lines
180 Fast Colombia SAS d/b/a Viva Colombia
180 Cebu Air Inc d/b/a Cebu Pacific Air
180 Hong Kong Express Airways Limited
179 Eastern Airlines Group Inc.
175 VRG Linhas Aereas S A
172 Aeroenlaces Nacionales, S.A. de C.V. d/b/a VivaAerobus
172 Concesionaria Vuela Compania De Aviacion SA de CV (Volaris)
What I don't understand is that Delta bought up to 49% of Aeromexico earlier this year.
So Delta's average age is 17.1 years, but Aeromexico's oldest plane is 14 years old.
Aeromexico retired it's B767s as too old and replaced them with Dreamliners, but
Delta has a B767 that is 27.4 years old, a B757 which is 29.8 years old and a MD-88 which is 30.6 years old.
If it is so economical for Delta to run very old planes, then why doesn't Aeromexico do the same thing? Which is the first world country?
Delta
7 Boeing 747 average age 26.3 years
125 Boeing 757 average age 20.0 years
82 Boeing 767 average age 20.3 years
18 Boeing 777 average age 12.6 years
168 Boeing 737 Next Gen average age 8.9 years
AeroMexico
3 Boeing 777 average age 13.0 years (to be retired)
14 Boeing 787 average age 2.3 years
53 Boeing 737 Next Gen average age 9.3 years
Delta is currently retrofitting 757 from 1990 with brand new interiors right now though.
Delta is currently retrofitting 757 from 1990 with brand new interiors right now though.
Well Delta has a Boeing 757-200 flying from Raleigh/Durham to Paris-Charles De Gaulle (4,052 miles). As of today you can't purchase a narrow body to fly that long of a route. They obviously don't want to put a widebody on routes like that.
Delta has a Boeing 767 with Line Number 304 (first flight 22. Apr 1990)
Delta has 20 B767s active with line numbers below 500
304, 312,317,318,334,339,340,341,346,349,350,389,390, 406, 428,446,461,491, 496, 499.
Delta's newest Boeing 767-300 is line number 847 (first flight 31. Jul 2001)
Yet Aeromexico has already retired a B767 with line number 727
Three newest B767s to be retired
Line Number- First flight
511 03. Aug 1993
575 17. Apr 1995
727 12. Nov 1998
So why doesn't the same logic apply to AeroMexico that is 49% owned by Delta?
I'd like to see the number of cycles, and hours, as well as age.
I don't know why that information is not made public.
Boeing produced 29 747-100SR (short range) in the 1970s, nearly all of which were sold for the Japanese domestic market.
Japan Air Lines JAL JA8119 had 18835 cycles and 25030 air frame hours in the 4214 days since first flight (just over 11 years). That is a remarkable 80 minutes air time per cycle and 4.47 cycles per day.
It crashed with 509 passengers on board and 20 crew. The Japanese abandoned the search that night thinking no one could have survived. Four women were found alive the next day and some survivors had died in the cold in the night.
The aircraft was involved in a tailstrike incident at Osaka International Airport seven years earlier , which damaged the aircraft's rear pressure bulkhead. The subsequent repair of the bulkhead did not conform to Boeing's approved repair methods. Boeing calculated that this incorrect installation would fail after approximately 10,000 pressurization cycles; the aircraft accomplished 12,318 successful flights from the time that the faulty repair was made to when the crash happened.
Do cycles do matter
The 7 previous fatal accidents in the previous 15 years involving a 747 had the fatality stats. There was an accident on a runway with 583 fatalities where two B747s collided in the fog, which is not on the list.
Yes, I don't know why that information isn't available either.
Every organization is afraid that their data will be misused, but you should still make it available to the public.
In the case JAL flight 123 they were flying that plane 5 or 6 times per day, and the failure was directly related to cycles. They were simply trying to fly over 500 people roughly 250 miles each way.
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IMHO, Aviation desperately needs a type of aircraft that can move large numbers of people up to 504 miles at speeds of at least 300 miles per hour that can onload and offload without a long runway. Ideally it would be some kind of a Zeppelin that can park a container with the people at about 100' in the air and lower them with an elevator. The new container could be quickly uploaded to attach to the Zeppelin type device.
Runways are being overtaxed in Southern California by too many people flying to San Francisco are or Las Vegas or Phoenix.
Hong Kong to Tapei is 504 miles and is the busiest international route in the world requiring over 80 planes per day.
Many people think that trains can fulfill this transportation need, but valuable property, bodies of water, and earthquake vulnerable land often makes train construction difficult (even theoretical trains through neutrally buoyant tunnels).
Distance from Seoul to Jeju-do island (283 mi) is currently the busiest domestic route in the world
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