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Can't wait to see what the premium economy and business class seats look like.
42 business + 24 Executive Economy + 187 economy = 253seats Airbus A350-900 .
67 business + 94 Executive Economy + zero economy = 161 seats Airbus A350-900ULR in 2018
64 business + 117 Executive Economy + zero economy = 181 seats Airbus A340-500 in 2004
Liters of fuel capacity
141,000 A350-900
165,000 A350-900ULR
222,850 A340-500 4 engine jet flew route from 2004-2013
26% reduction in capacity over 4 engine but 20 fewer seats so 17% on a per seat basis.
From everything I've read about the Ultra Long Range version is that it is identical to the regular variant, but just takes on more fuel. Airbus designed it from the ground up to have room to take the extra 24,000 liters of fuel. I wouldn't expect the seats to look any different, there is simply a lot less of them and none that are simple economy.
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Originally Posted by Gene Starwind
Seems like this flight is cheaper than 1 stop flights.
Wondering how the pricing will change in the first year and how available award space will be
While any flight on Singapore Air will be beat in price by Air China, you are likely to increase your flight by over 30% in time compared to nonstop.
I suspect that the 94 Executive Economy will be sold for the same price as the connections via Frankfurt and Tokyo. For publicity, SQ can't afford to have any of these seats empty. Plus the EE seats pay for the fuel.
My guess is that the business class seats are going to be a lot more money than the transfers.
Thanks paco but i read the article and others so i know the seat layout. However I'd like to see video and pics of the seats. Looking forward to the aviation vlogs come Oct.
The cost seems like they are already competitive but want to see what it's like with award seats.
Thanks paco but i read the article and others so i know the seat layout. However I'd like to see video and pics of the seats. Looking forward to the aviation vlogs come Oct.
The cost seems like they are already competitive but want to see what it's like with award seats.
Still cannot imagine being cooped up on a plane for nearly an entire day. A narrow one at that.
Have never been bothered by layovers or whatever. Gives one a chance to stretch the legs and move about. That can be refreshing on a very long haul flight.
Still cannot imagine being cooped up on a plane for nearly an entire day. A narrow one at that.
Have never been bothered by layovers or whatever. Gives one a chance to stretch the legs and move about. That can be refreshing on a very long haul flight.
14 hours jfk to nrt. What's another 4?
Gets me to Singapore in time for a little dinner and the start of the nightlife seems like win win.
I took this same flight, non-stop Newark to Singapore, with Singapore Air in 2005 on an Airbus A340-500. The shades were lowered to simulate night fall and get us on a short sleep cycle for the time change. I was in Executive Economy seating and my seat reclined a lot more than they do now. There was support under my calves from under my seat and a set of bicycle pedals-type foot rests popped up from beneath the seat in front. It felt like an endurance test at 18.5 hours (I passed), and I watched four or five movies with in-seat entertainment. The airline personnel were attentive and some of the best I’d seen. I felt rested and ready to go upon arrival in Singapore. The return trip to Newark, three weeks later to a cold, rainy November, took four days to recover from. My ticket cost was $1,188.
Thanks paco but i read the article and others so i know the seat layout. However I'd like to see video and pics of the seats. Looking forward to the aviation vlogs come Oct.
The cost seems like they are already competitive but want to see what it's like with award seats.
I'd be really interested to know the load factors on these flights.
SQ phased it out the original EWR-SIN nonstop route with a A340-500 in 2013 because they couldn't get enough revenue from it. Hoping the numbers will work with the A350.
I'd be really interested to know the load factors on these flights.
SQ phased it out the original EWR-SIN nonstop route with a A340-500 in 2013 because they couldn't get enough revenue from it. Hoping the numbers will work with the A350.
2018: 67 business + 94 Executive Economy = 161 seats Airbus A350-900ULR (165,000 liters of fuel) 2004: 64 business + 117 Executive Economy = 181 seats Airbus A340-500 (222,850 liters of fuel)
In 2004 jet fuel went from $0.93 to $1.52
In 2018 jet fuel went from $1.85 to $2.02
But in July of 2008 jet fuel peaked at $3.89. It was at this time they decided to replace the Executive economy completely and only fly with 100 business class seats. This created the largest ratio of fuel per seat for any commercial flight in history of aviation.
Jet fuel was still $3.00 in the summer of 2013 and they cancelled the flight by November of 2013 and returned the five A340 jets to Airbus. In order to do this, however, Singapore Airlines had to agree to take the five A380s that they had ordered but had been delaying for years. So that may turn out to be a very costly decision.
If fuel goes up again and they have to retire these flights, it is a relatively lost cost solution to turn the ULR versions back into regular A350s after they undergo their first Level D check.
Boeing has stated that the B777-8 ($394.8 million) will go into production 2 years after the B777-9 ($425.8 million). An A350-900 costs $317.4 million.
SIN - EWR is 8,285 nmi and the B777-8 is advertising 365 passengers with a range of 8,690 nmi . So far Singapore Airlines has only ordered 20 B777-9s, but maybe they are waiting for some trial runs. But a much larger plane could handle a lot more Executive Economy seats which should be a lot easier to sell.
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