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If someone who can read the article online would post some excerpts it would be appreciated. It sounds like the airline went ahead with the take-off despite an inspector demanded it to postpone.
That last part was about a different flight. The article is about Lion Air's history of poor and inaequate training, dual log books showing less hours worked than actual, and pressure to keep costs down at the expense of safety.
If someone who can read the article online would post some excerpts it would be appreciated. It sounds like the airline went ahead with the take-off despite an inspector demanded it to postpone.
If you have not been on the NYT website, you can go read the article without any problems. I think they allow several articles free until they demand you have a subscription. You can also clear your cookies and read it then.
The demand to postpone the flight is for a different incident, not this accident. This article is just another rehash of the airlines poor accident record and training of the pilots.
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Originally Posted by Michiko_shanyang
the problem is aircraft ( lion air jt 610 ) is still newly made in 2018, the pilot don't understand to control the Boeing 737 Max 8, there are features that have not been trained to pilot Lion Air . so that is pilot made his own initiative to control the aircraft causing Lion Air jt 610 fall into the sea with a snout down
So you don't like the airplane. Let the experts finish the investigation and tell us what really happened.
So you don't like the airplane. Let the experts finish the investigation and tell us what really happened.
I'm like, but I don't like there is no transparency about the company's clarity about the plane, when you buy new items and you only used 2 months but the item is damaged with some components that you really do not know,You will blame yourself for buying or the seller and factory that made it??
boeing was in the spotlight because the plane was still new, and it was used for 2 months by lion air, now we blame the airline "Lion Air" as a buyer or factory "boeing" as a seller?
I know Lion Air is not good and the low in cost when compared to Garuda Indonesia is far away, but there are many great and new airplanes
If the report of the auto control system trying dozens of time during the flight to point the nose down even if that did not cause the crash, as I suspect it did, the reported fact that overcoming the trim condition is changed to one different from past models without highlighting such in training and other operational info is a Boeing over sight'
I am an amateur so correct me experts if I mis read the facts gotten off the black box thus far?
Reading his conclusion, it seems that the previous crew shutoff the electric trim system to temporarily "solve" the issue, but so far as what has been released, the crew on the fatal flight may not have.
Any airplane I know of that has an electrical trim system that has a "runaway" (more than pilot commanded, or excessive trimming from the autopilot/systems), the emergency procedure is to disable it and go to manual trimming. All pilots are trained on this.
I heard Lion Air and Boeing will get sanctions from the transportation Indonesia ministry for the Lion Air JT610 accident. maybe the one given to Lion Air is prohibited from operating / fly and maybe for Boeing is all Indonesian airlines are prohibited from buying Boeing aircraft
Not particularly shocking news, but the Rusdi Kirana, Lion Air’s owner, has threatened to cancel all their B737Max orders.
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“I was in a tough situation and they decided to beat me up,” Kirana said in an interview in Jakarta, referring to Boeing’s response to Indonesia’s preliminary report into the accident. “They have been behaving unethically, they have been acting immorally in this relationship, so we just go our separate ways.”
The accident occurred on Oct. 29, and Boeing has released their orders for B737Max for November.
2 31-Oct-2018 Unidentified Customer(s)
1 06-Nov-2018 SkyUp Airlines Ukraine
40 19-Nov-2018 Jeju Air South Korea
3 28-Nov-2018 Unidentified Customer(s)
Orders for the B737Max have been fairly low this year, but since total orders stand at 4,754 that is not particularly surprising
B737Max orders by region and the date of the first order
1214 North America 13. Dec. 2011
755 Europe 24. Jan. 2012
493 Southeast Asia 22. Feb. 2012 (includes 201 jet orders by Lion Air with 14 delivered)
314 East Asia 21. May. 2013
312 Middle East 31. Oct. 2012
342 South Asia 23. Apr. 2013
161 South America 1. Oct. 2012
121 Central America and Mexico 5. Nov. 2012
95 Caribbean 18. Nov. 2017
49 Oceania 6. Jul. 2012
47 Africa 3. Dec. 2013
1 Central Asia 14. Dec. 2017
850 Unidentified 21. Dec. 2012
Lion Air B737 Max deliveries
16-May-2017
23-May-2017
27-Jun-2017
28-Jun-2017
29-Jul-2017
09-Aug-2017
23-Aug-2017
13-Nov-2017
....
21-Mar-2018
27-Apr-2018
17-May-2018
13-Aug-2018 ----------- crashed
30-Sep-2018
01-Nov-2018
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Why isn't the cause considered to be a manufacturing defect or poor design?
Based on what I read they are not redesigning and just issuing instructions to pilots on how to get out of the situation experienced by the Jakarta pilots. So Boeing seems to think they can properly train or instruct every pilot in the world to know what do to.
Not to mention the fact that none of their previously built jets have crashed this way when being only a few months old.
Maybe they need to redesign (the plane or) the parts involved. So the event can not happen again except some very extreme cause other than what brought down the Jakarta plane.
Last edited by howard555; 02-11-2019 at 08:31 AM..
Why isn't the cause considered to be a manufacturing defect or poor design?
Based on what I read they are not redesigning and just issuing instructions to pilots on how to get out of the situation experienced by the Jakarta pilots. So Boeing seems to think they can properly train or instruct every pilot in the world to know what do to.
Not to mention the fact that none of their previously built jets have crashed this way when being only a few months old.
Maybe they need to redesign (the plane or) the parts involved. So the event can not happen again except some very extreme cause other than what brought down the Jakarta plane.
Is the investigation finished? Why not give it a chance to figure out what went wrong?
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