Southwest pilots union resists proposed pay cut

[Oklazona Bound]

Originally Posted by StealthRabbit

I quoted the 15 min $5 Rapid Test (80+% accurate) do it multiple x if you want higher stats.

That was not what the White House was using? Clearly not accurate enough.

[wheelsup]

Originally Posted by Oklazona Bound

I say fire them like the controllers were fired in decades past. Good luck finding job in an industry that is shrinking in size.

You can't fire people who aren't striking. The controllers were striking.

A contract is a contract.

[Roselvr]

Originally Posted by 11thHour

The pay rates at most of the airlines were extremely hard fought-for. Many places worked at substandard rates for a decade or more. It can take years and years to negotiate new pay rates. So they operate on old scales for a long time. Each contract amendment acts a basis for the next. When pay cuts are taken it can set back those tables many years. Just negotiating back to where you were initially when the cuts occurred can be a herculean feat, let alone actually advancing the pay for cost of living changes. Over a decade is possible. So most pilots would *not* want to see a hard-written hourly pay rate cut. However, we *are* willing to still bring home less pay via working less hours. I'll work less hours, a lot less in fact, and make less, but I want the same hourly pay for the hours worked. The result is the same without setting the pay tables back many, many years. This is what many outside this profession don't seem to understand. We are willing to help out and make less money.

In fact, where I work now we are negotiating the same issue. I will vote against the pay cut, but am in favor of the reduced-hours plan. I'd rather be furloughed than take the pay cut. I want a job worth coming back to. And I'm not just talking. I *will* be furloughed in the next round if we cant either reduce the pay rate or the hours worked.

The issue is going to be will there be a company to go back to or will they go bankrupt and everyone will be out of jobs.

As I've said, I've been there with my hub, it sucked that he got less pay and the company still ended up going bankrupt.

[Retroit]

The reasoning of the union is that the company is going to rehire the laid-off workers long before they will be willing to restore wages.

From the laid-off pilots’ perspective. In the long run, they will more than make up for the lost wages once they get rehired at the previous wages (versus getting rehired at lower wages).

[Vf6cruiser]

Originally Posted by bus man

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...?ocid=msedgntp

I really hope that cooler heads prevail. The crisis befalling the airlines is unprecedented in aviation history, and nothing less than drastic measures will be necessary to weather the storm. If the pilots union resists pay cuts, I see no reasonable alternative to layoffs. And it's better to get 90 percent of your salary than 0 percent.

Spent 38 years in the airline business and never once saw anybody take a pay cut to save the junior guys from going under the bus.......

[Brill]

Southwest sent out warn notices for potential layoffs/furloughs.

[Taiko]

Originally Posted by Vf6cruiser

Spent 38 years in the airline business and never once saw anybody take a pay cut to save the junior guys from going under the bus.......

I just saw it in my union. The seniors are screaming because the latest negotiations have the juniors having a faster path to knock out the two tier pay scale while they only got the now traditional token raise. That the seniors should have gotten all while juniors being paid half of their rate should continue to wait before qualifying for benefits. All for one and one for all is the last thing on their minds