This baltimore forum is boooorring!!! (schools, live, club)

[dogpark]

Originally Posted by Tinawina

Nope.

Baltimore Is Not Ferguson. Here's What It Really Is : NPR

For The Record: The Voices Of Baltimore : NPR

There have been several articles, even before the charges were levied against the officers, where people interviewed the actual residents of West Baltimore (not the talking heads or the "leaders" from outside the city), where people on the street specifically said this was not about race but about distrust of police and of the government in general to do the right thing. They felt they had been unfairly targeted and harassed by police for a long time and that no one cared.


Most of what they said was confirmed elsewhere, but probably most thoroughly here:
https://www.themarshallproject.org/2...more-s-anguish

So no. Despite people trying to tack this onto their particular cause of white cops/black males, despite right wing sites trying to hype a "race war", none of that is true in this case. In Baltimore at least, this is much more about aggressive policing that threw basic rights out the window a long time ago, in a section of the city that's been left to rot in extreme poverty and the drug trade it spawned for decades, while (mostly) corrupt politicians focused on lining their own pockets, and (mostly) residents who don't live in these areas ignore it and focus on trying not to get robbed, and too many residents who do live in these areas gave up and gave in to the forces around them. There's all kinds of blame to go around. Is race and racism mixed up in this? Absolutely yes. But is that all this is about? Absolutely not.

I feel like no one wants to just admit to their part in this mess, and contribute what they can from where they are to fix it. Instead, everyone wants to point blame at someone else.

Spot on Tina, not directly about race, although it is a factor (long simmering thru policy over a century span).

In regards to the part of your quote I bolded - yes, leaders/institutions do not know where to start, this problem and cycle are so big, so long running that it is tough to ferret out a beginning.

So here is where I would begin - audits. A lot of aid comes to Baltimore, a lot of money. Where does it go? Who spends it on what? how is it accounted for? Although in a just world it would be nice to hold perpetrators accountable for malfeasance, what is really needed is a change to best practices, efficiency now, right now. We don;t need another study, more consultants etc - we need to know where resources are going, find the waste and fraud and put that money to work doing measurable works. This is one of the wealthiest states in one of the wealthiest countries in the world - why is there so much apathy, neglect, poverty, crumbling infrastructure? We can't fund some rec centers for Christ's sake??? Really???

[redd1skng]

Right. The city can eat a 5 million dollar loss w/the Hilton Hotel every year but has no money for education, rec centers, summer jobs, clean streets, or to tear down vacant housing.

[Tinawina]

Originally Posted by dogpark

Spot on Tina, not directly about race, although it is a factor (long simmering thru policy over a century span).

In regards to the part of your quote I bolded - yes, leaders/institutions do not know where to start, this problem and cycle are so big, so long running that it is tough to ferret out a beginning.

So here is where I would begin - audits. A lot of aid comes to Baltimore, a lot of money. Where does it go? Who spends it on what? how is it accounted for? Although in a just world it would be nice to hold perpetrators accountable for malfeasance, what is really needed is a change to best practices, efficiency now, right now. We don;t need another study, more consultants etc - we need to know where resources are going, find the waste and fraud and put that money to work doing measurable works. This is one of the wealthiest states in one of the wealthiest countries in the world - why is there so much apathy, neglect, poverty, crumbling infrastructure? We can't fund some rec centers for Christ's sake??? Really???

An audit is a great idea! I bet the results would be eye-opening. LOL

[dogpark]

Originally Posted by Tinawina

An audit is a great idea! I bet the results would be eye-opening. LOL

and hopefully rec center opening (and other positive community building programs)

[ToneGrail]

Originally Posted by Tinawina

Nope.

Baltimore Is Not Ferguson. Here's What It Really Is : NPR

For The Record: The Voices Of Baltimore : NPR

There have been several articles, even before the charges were levied against the officers, where people interviewed the actual residents of West Baltimore (not the talking heads or the "leaders" from outside the city), where people on the street specifically said this was not about race but about distrust of police and of the government in general to do the right thing. They felt they had been unfairly targeted and harassed by police for a long time and that no one cared.


Most of what they said was confirmed elsewhere, but probably most thoroughly here:
https://www.themarshallproject.org/2...more-s-anguish

So no. Despite people trying to tack this onto their particular cause of white cops/black males, despite right wing sites trying to hype a "race war", none of that is true in this case. In Baltimore at least, this is much more about aggressive policing that threw basic rights out the window a long time ago, in a section of the city that's been left to rot in extreme poverty and the drug trade it spawned for decades, while (mostly) corrupt politicians focused on lining their own pockets, and (mostly) residents who don't live in these areas ignore it and focus on trying not to get robbed, and too many residents who do live in these areas gave up and gave in to the forces around them. There's all kinds of blame to go around. Is race and racism mixed up in this? Absolutely yes. But is that all this is about? Absolutely not.

I feel like no one wants to just admit to their part in this mess, and contribute what they can from where they are to fix it. Instead, everyone wants to point blame at someone else.

The Democrats who have been running this city for decades. Great job!

[BrassTacksGal]

Originally Posted by Tinawina

Nope.

Baltimore Is Not Ferguson. Here's What It Really Is : NPR

For The Record: The Voices Of Baltimore : NPR

There have been several articles, even before the charges were levied against the officers, where people interviewed the actual residents of West Baltimore (not the talking heads or the "leaders" from outside the city), where people on the street specifically said this was not about race but about distrust of police and of the government in general to do the right thing. They felt they had been unfairly targeted and harassed by police for a long time and that no one cared.


Most of what they said was confirmed elsewhere, but probably most thoroughly here:
https://www.themarshallproject.org/2...more-s-anguish

So no. Despite people trying to tack this onto their particular cause of white cops/black males, despite right wing sites trying to hype a "race war", none of that is true in this case. In Baltimore at least, this is much more about aggressive policing that threw basic rights out the window a long time ago, in a section of the city that's been left to rot in extreme poverty and the drug trade it spawned for decades, while (mostly) corrupt politicians focused on lining their own pockets, and (mostly) residents who don't live in these areas ignore it and focus on trying not to get robbed, and too many residents who do live in these areas gave up and gave in to the forces around them. There's all kinds of blame to go around. Is race and racism mixed up in this? Absolutely yes. But is that all this is about? Absolutely not.

I feel like no one wants to just admit to their part in this mess, and contribute what they can from where they are to fix it. Instead, everyone wants to point blame at someone else.

Interesting that they don't trust the government when the government there is all Black Democrats. If they can't trust Black Democrats who would they trust?

[Infinite_heights77]

Man, I always see Mr. Waters around the town?

Originally Posted by Seafood Junky

I met John Waters once. Waiting to board a plane late at night. Waiting in line, I called my wife (she is a HUGE fan) and asked him if he would say hello. He was very cool and obliged. Wife was ecstatic. (Even though I woke her up).

How that?

Mike

[Infinite_heights77]

After the unrest, this post lit up like a Christmas tree!

Originally Posted by steppinthrax

So I ask one question.

IS THE FORUM BOOOOOOORRING NOW????

LMAO

[Infinite_heights77]

"So much of the rioting was due to blacks harboring anger towards whites against what they perceived to be another murder of another unarmed black man at the hands of a white cop. "

*You can't stand by whatever you choose to stand by, but make sure you have some truth and actual facts standing next to you. LOL! Naw, you're somewhat right and wrong at the same time. They are harboring against a racist white supremacist system and not particularly whites individuals themselves (even though attacks on individual whites took place and vice-a-verse.). In addition, there were whites (along with their black counterparts) who participated in the looting and burning of businesses in their neighborhoods, you just need to do some research online and you'll find clear evidence of such criminality committed by whites in Baltimore. Don't look to FoxNews or the AEI for this information!

You need to do a little more reading in this department, then come back and we can discuss the issues a little more deeply and less superficially.

Originally Posted by SteelCityRising

I stand by my assertion. So much of the rioting was due to blacks harboring anger towards whites against what they perceived to be another murder of another unarmed black man at the hands of a white cop. Three of the six being charged with Grey's murder are black, and the rioters are mum about this? Why? It doesn't fit their narrative and doesn't quite justify the damage they inflicted upon the city physically in the short-term and psychologically in the long-term in regards to setting the city's external image to outsiders back five years?

[Infinite_heights77]

Mr. Timothy McVeigh didn't trust the government either!

Read Franz Fanon's Black Skin White Mask! It will explain some of the psychological dynamics of Blacks in highly visible positions.

Originally Posted by BrassTacksGal

Interesting that they don't trust the government when the government there is all Black Democrats. If they can't trust Black Democrats who would they trust?