Police officer murdered (Baltimore: felony, homes, safety)

[North Beach Person]

Originally Posted by debold4215

the city automatically becomes involved because it is a new charge and a violation of his court ordered release on house arrest. House arrest is defined as a commitment to a juvenile facility in this case his home.

You don't think baltimore city is going to hand down a death penalty even if it was legal do you ?

No. But the crime happened in Baltimore County so the City can charge him in its own Courts with escape but the murder charge in Baltimore County will supersede that.

[P47P47]

Originally Posted by debold4215

...crimes where the victim was raped or tortured before they are murdered.

That IS murder.

[debold4215]

Originally Posted by North Beach Person

No. But the crime happened in Baltimore County so the City can charge him in its own Courts with escape but the murder charge in Baltimore County will supersede that.

Juvenile Services blamed the state's attorney for releasing the murderer when it was them who were responsible for his release into the community. Juvenile Services had to make the recommendation that he remain on home detention unless Juvenile Services requested that he be placed in a structured facility and the state objected to it which is unlikely.
Yes the murder charge does supersede the city's charges. In any case I cannot understand why this individual was allowed to stay out of a institution given his history and the lack of cooperation with Juvenile Services

[pwduvall]

Originally Posted by debold4215

i know and i agree with that. I was just trying to express how angry i am at the minor in question and a system that just does not work when it comes to public safety.

A few months ago I had a conversation with a progressive millennial acquaintance. He told me repeatedly that detention of criminals only has to do with punishment. He said that the best interest of the criminal is paramount and that he believes that keeping criminals active is usually best for them, and therefore detention should only be used in the rare situation that the criminal is better off being detained. When I brought up the concept of detention aimed at the public safety of the general population, he said that public safety shouldn't be a consideration in sentencing - that the best interest of the criminal should be the only consideration.

While I would consider his views a bit out of the ordinary, I would say that people making decisions about crime and punishment in Baltimore City tend to have those views, at least to some degree.

[bufflove]

Originally Posted by pwduvall

He said that the best interest of the criminal is paramount and that he believes that keeping criminals active is usually best for them, and therefore detention should only be used in the rare situation that the criminal is better off being detained.

This is - though with some exaggeration, either by you or the acquaintance - widely considered best practices and is the norm in many developed countries. If warehousing criminals fixed problems the U.S., generally, and Baltimore, specifically, would be among the safest places in the world. Baltimore's had one of the highest incarceration rates in the country for decades. Those billions of dollars spent have paid such wonderful dividends, clearly.

[North Beach Person]

One thing that needs to be remembered is that the US penal system at pretty much all levels gave up on rehabilitation a couple or three decades ago.

[pwduvall]

Originally Posted by bufflove

This is - though with some exaggeration, either by you or the acquaintance - widely considered best practices and is the norm in many developed countries. If warehousing criminals fixed problems the U.S., generally, and Baltimore, specifically, would be among the safest places in the world. Baltimore's had one of the highest incarceration rates in the country for decades. Those billions of dollars spent have paid such wonderful dividends, clearly.

There is at least one problem with the City's current catch and release system. The active criminal is given the impression that there will never be any consequences for their criminal activity, which leads to taking more and more dangerous chances that often leads to vigilante style retaliation where the criminal ends up dead. If everybody involved considers the criminal justice system in Baltimore to be a joke (which many do) extra-judicial justice becomes the norm. Also, in a system where there is no real chance of incarceration or other serious concequences, the police will be (and are) considered a force that only harasses criminals and have nothing whatsoever to do with fighting crime or dispensing justice.

[North Beach Person]

Originally Posted by pwduvall

There is at least one problem with the City's current catch and release system. The active criminal is given the impression that there will never be any consequences for their criminal activity, which leads to taking more and more dangerous chances that often leads to vigilante style retaliation where the criminal ends up dead. If everybody involved considers the criminal justice system in Baltimore to be a joke (which many do) extra-judicial justice becomes the norm. Also, in a system where there is no real chance of incarceration or other serious concequences, the police will be (and are) considered a force that only harasses criminals and have nothing whatsoever to do with fighting crime or dispensing justice.

It's not just Baltimore. There was a recent case (as in a week or ten days ago) in Charles County where a guy from Texas was stopped for something traffic related (already a convicted felon which will become important) and was found to be in possession of three handguns (remember, a convicted felon can not legally possess firearms). Two of the three handguns were found to be stolen.

He was charged with possession of illegal firearms and illegal transport of firearms. He was released by the Court Commissioner on $2000 bond.

[Cruzincat]

The problem in Baltimore is a lack of jobs. They should immediately put the people of Baltimore to work building a wall around the city. That might even create more jobs for the surrounding counties, by hiring people to man the gates to determine who we let out.

[bufflove]

Originally Posted by pwduvall

There is at least one problem with the City's current catch and release system. The active criminal is given the impression that there will never be any consequences for their criminal activity, which leads to taking more and more dangerous chances that often leads to vigilante style retaliation where the criminal ends up dead. If everybody involved considers the criminal justice system in Baltimore to be a joke (which many do) extra-judicial justice becomes the norm. Also, in a system where there is no real chance of incarceration or other serious concequences, the police will be (and are) considered a force that only harasses criminals and have nothing whatsoever to do with fighting crime or dispensing justice.

You're certainly right that the alternative to mass incarceration shouldn't be slaps on the wrist and barely monitored release. Both options are lazy and ineffective. Actual intervention and work needs to be be put in on a micro and macro level.