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Old 10-11-2016, 08:46 PM
 
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So most more The Boston Red Sox are gone till next year. David did his best and I wish him the best-
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Old 10-12-2016, 05:04 AM
 
Location: SW Florida
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As an old Yankee fan all I can say is good riddance. Not since George Brett has one player slayed the Yanks for so long. I hope he just stays retired.
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Old 10-12-2016, 08:54 AM
 
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I recall his days playing with the Minnesota Twins.


He was so worthless that the Twins could not find any team. interested in trading for him


I recall listening to a Sunday morning radio show and a caller said.........." I can't run, I can't hit, and I can't field. I'm similar to David Ortiz yet the Twins waste a roster spot on him "?


Things sure turned around once he left Minnesota
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Old 10-12-2016, 09:15 AM
 
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Some players are late bloomers. Justin Turner is a good example of that. I'm sure if I was a Red Sox fan I'd love Ortiz but for me I just think of steroids when I think of him. Maybe that's wrong?
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Old 10-12-2016, 10:52 AM
 
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He wasn't a late bloomer, he discovered steroids after he joined Boston. He belongs in the disgraced class of ballplayers with Bonds and Rodriguez etc, but for some reason the media has decided he merits a fuzzy, lovable image and he is being treated as an exception.
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Old 10-12-2016, 10:57 AM
 
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He wasn't a late bloomer, he discovered steroids after he joined Boston. He belongs in the disgraced class of ballplayers with Bonds and Rodriguez etc, but for some reason the media has decided he merits a fuzzy, lovable image and he is being treated as an exception.
Any proof?
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Old 10-12-2016, 11:16 AM
 
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He wasn't a late bloomer, he discovered steroids after he joined Boston. He belongs in the disgraced class of ballplayers with Bonds and Rodriguez etc, but for some reason the media has decided he merits a fuzzy, lovable image and he is being treated as an exception.
I recall he was pathetic with the Twins.


After 6 years of averaging 9 home runs a year he goes to Boston ( same American League facing the same pitchers) and turns into a slugging machine ?
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Old 10-12-2016, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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Any proof?

it's a duck
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Old 10-12-2016, 12:58 PM
 
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Any proof?
Plenty.

1. Ortiz was one of the 103 players who tested positive in the "confidential" 2003 tests which wound up getting leaked to the media.

2. Ortiz has condemned himself by stating that he has been tested more than any other player. By contractual agreement with the MLBPA, MLB can administer two tests a year to all players. However, from 2007-2009, the agreement called for confidentiality in the test results, but anyone who tested positive during that time became subject to random testing, up to 8 times a year, for the rest of his career. The only way Ortiz could be tested so often as he claims, is if he flunked a test sometime during that period. ...the only way.

3. A study was recently conducted which measured the "back end" of careers. This was done to determine what percentage of a players over all production took place after the age of 26. Ortiz was # 1 on this list by a whopping margin, no player has ever produced as many home runs and RBI after the age of 26 as Big Papi. Know who was # 2 on the list? Barry Bonds. Know who was # 3 on the list? Sammy Sosa. In short, it is evident that producing a huge percentage of your career production on the back end requires the use of PEDs.

The case against Ortiz is way past circumstantial. He has tested positive at least twice, and the distribution of his production is out of whack and can only be explained by artificial means.

That good enough for you?

If not, for further evidence, I would direct you to Ortiz's various statements about steroid use. You may note that by careful reading, he never comes out and directly denies it. Instead he explains why he wouldn't have used it, and how terrible it was if someone used them and so forth, so that we are supposed to conclude that his character was such that he would never have used. Nowhere will you find "I never used."
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Old 10-12-2016, 12:59 PM
 
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it's a duck
Oh yee of little patience....see above. And stop slapping yourself in the face, you might injure yourself.
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