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Izzo does it again! Can't believe two Big Ten teams in FF.
That's a coach. Doesn't get anywhere near the McD's AA talent of K, Self, Williams or certainly Squid, but usually in the mix come tourney time. Seven FFs (and all since 1999) ties him with Pitino and Williams, behind only Smith, K (11 each) and Wooden (12).
That's a coach. Doesn't get anywhere near the McD's AA talent of K, Self, Williams or certainly Squid, but usually in the mix come tourney time. Seven FFs (and all since 1999) ties him with Pitino and Williams, behind only Smith, K (11 each) and Wooden (12).
And never a whiff of scandal.
Like I pointed out earlier though - he almost always has a lot of juniors and seniors. Recruiting the top players is a double edged sword. Sometimes you get lucky and other years you have to patch a team together because all the talent left. Take Duke for example. The team is centered around Okafor/Winslow/Jones - what happens next year when they need a completely new game plan? That's where it helps to have juniors and seniors that have played together for years. That's not taking anything away from Izzo, but he and the blue bloods face different challenges every season.
Like I pointed out earlier though - he almost always has a lot of juniors and seniors. Recruiting the top players is a double edged sword. Sometimes you get lucky and other years you have to patch a team together because all the talent left. Take Duke for example. The team is centered around Okafor/Winslow/Jones - what happens next year when they need a completely new game plan? That's where it helps to have juniors and seniors that have played together for years. That's not taking anything away from Izzo, but he and the blue bloods face different challenges every season.
I get your point, but you'd think at some point if you're not K or Squid, maybe you'd change your recruiting practices and start developing some 3-stars/low 4-stars instead of loading up on 85+ players.
Point of reference - Calhoun's 3 NC teams all had veteran leadership/veteran benches but only 9 AAs since 1990 - yet still put a lot of guys into the NBA. Louisvile has only had 6 AAs since 2000, yet same # of NCs as Kansas and UNC. Obviously you can win multiple NCs without a roster of 5-stars, so why are so few coaches able to do so?
Yes, it different problems. But when you look at a chart like this, makes you wonder just how good (bad) Williams, Self, Barnes and others near the top of the AA list are as coaches vs recruiters. I already know where I land on Squid. I do think K is a great coach though.
I get your point, but you'd think at some point if you're not K or Squid, maybe you'd change your recruiting practices and start developing some 3-stars/low 4-stars instead of loading up on 85+ players.
Point of reference - Calhoun's 3 NC teams all had veteran leadership/veteran benches but only 9 AAs since 1990 - yet still put a lot of guys into the NBA. Louisvile has only had 6 AAs since 2000, yet same # of NCs as Kansas and UNC.
Yes, it different problems. But when you look at a chart like this, makes you wonder just how good (bad) Williams, Self, Barnes and others near the top of the AA list are as coaches vs recruiters. I already know where I land on Squid. I do think K is a great coach though.
Well the goal is to win championships. K has won 4 of them while getting talented recruits. UNC also has 4 within the last 22 years. That's nearly 40% of championships going to just two teams. If you throw in Kentucky, that's 11 out of 22. Can one really expect more success than that?
Once in the elite 8/final 4, that's where I'd rather have talent than experience. Izzo is going into his 9th final 4 and so far he has 1 championship to show for it. Would he have a few more with a couple highly touted McD's? Maybe. As good as Izzo is, if you're a MSU fan, I would think you're a tiny bit disappointed with 1 championship in 20+ years.
And yes, recruiting is a HUGE part of the college coaching game. Having recruits doesn't make championships automatic though - just look at what almost happened to Kentucky yesterday. Regardless, you've got to respect the brand UNC, Duke and Kenucky have established that allows them to be so successful.
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Why is that...we want to move into a 3rd place tie with Indiana/UNC at 5 championships. We want to stop Kentucky from getting number 9...puts them within spitting distance of UCLA's 11.
Well the goal is to win championships. K has won 4 of them while getting talented recruits. UNC also has 4 within the last 22 years. That's nearly 40% of championships going to just two teams. If you throw in Kentucky, that's 11 out of 22. Can one really expect more success than that?
Once in the elite 8/final 4, that's where I'd rather have talent than experience. Izzo is going into his 9th final 4 and so far he has 1 championship to show for it. Would he have a few more with a couple highly touted McD's? Maybe. As good as Izzo is, if you're a MSU fan, I would think you're a tiny bit disappointed with 1 championship in 20+ years.
And yes, recruiting is a HUGE part of the college coaching game. Having recruits doesn't make championships automatic though - just look at what almost happened to Kentucky yesterday. Regardless, you've got to respect the brand UNC, Duke and Kenucky have established that allows them to be so successful.
Not to nitpick, but UNC only has 3 NCs in past 25 years. And you'd have to go back 24 years to get to Duke's 4 (their back-to-back was 91-92). UConn has 4 since 1999.
Where Duke stands out is that it also lost 3 NCs. So 28% of NCs in the past 25 years have featured Duke. The next highest are UConn and UK with 4 NC appearances.
I am not a Duke fan, but I do respect the program. And if it came down to Duke vs UK, well, I'll be rooting for your guys. But I'm hoping Wisconsin eliminates the need.
Not to nitpick, but UNC only has 3 NCs in past 25 years. And you'd have to go back 24 years to get to Duke's 4 (their back-to-back was 91-92). UConn has 4 since 1999.
You're right...I went into a brain fart trying to talk about Duke on multiple sports forums. '91, '92, '93, '01, '05, '09, and '10 are all championship years for UNC/Duke. That's 29.2% of championships split between them since '91. '96, '98 and '12 go to Kentucky...which makes 10 or 41.2% of championships being won by 3 bluebloods (45.6% if Duke or Kentucky win this year). That's pretty impressive considering those 3 schools are competing against 100+ schools. That takes talent and coaching, IMO. What's even more impressive is the time these teams have spent in the AP top 25. Duke alone spent 122 straight weeks ranked in the top 10. That's 6 years.
Why is that...we want to move into a 3rd place tie with Indiana/UNC at 5 championships. We want to stop Kentucky from getting number 9...puts them within spitting distance of UCLA's 11.
Personal reasons related to some of the self-centered, overbearing aholes I've known from there.
I wouldn't mind seeing UNC keep that championship edge over Duke.
It wouldn't bother me at all if Kentucky got number 9 - they deserve it.
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We want to stop Kentucky from getting number 9...puts them within spitting distance of UCLA's 11.
'91, '92, '93, '01, '05, '09, and '10 are all championship years for UNC/Duke. That's 29.2% of championships split between them since '91. '96, '98 and '12 go to Kentucky...which makes 10 or 41.2% of championships being won by 3 bluebloods (45.6% if Duke or Kentucky win this year). That's pretty impressive considering those 3 schools are competing against 100+ schools. That takes talent and coaching, IMO. What's even more impressive is the time these teams have spent in the AP top 25. Duke alone spent 122 straight weeks ranked in the top 10. That's 6 years.
