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Old 04-24-2008, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Ocean Shores, WA
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Can a movie script be literature? I think so.

Does it lose it's literature status when it's made into a film? I think not. B
Yes, a script is words on a page meant to be read.
It is literature.

It remains words on a page even when it is used to make a movie.
It remains literature.

But the movie that was made from it is not literature.
It is a movie.

The real question is how many words does it take in a graphic novel before it can be considered literary art as opposed to visual art.
But why would it matter?
All that counts is that you gain something from viewing it regardless of whether it's a visual or literary experience.
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Old 04-24-2008, 11:47 AM
 
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The real question is how many words does it take in a graphic novel before it can be considered literary art as opposed to visual art.
But why would it matter?
All that counts is that you gain something from viewing it regardless of whether it's a visual or literary experience.
Yeah - that's true.
But "literature" aside (although I do believe that I can cite some direct parallels between bona fide literature and comic books) - I have a hard time accepting your notion that comic books, by definition, are not more than "commercial art".
I can't argue that they are necessarily "high art" but I believe that they can be - while advertisements, pamphlets, and training manuals can never reach that status, in my opinion.
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Old 04-24-2008, 01:30 PM
 
Location: DFW
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Have any of you read Ghost World? Do you recommend it?

I've never purchased a graphic novel before, but I saw the Ghost World movie on DVD and was very impressed with it.
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Old 04-24-2008, 02:51 PM
 
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Have any of you read Ghost World? Do you recommend it?

I've never purchased a graphic novel before, but I saw the Ghost World movie on DVD and was very impressed with it.
I absolutely recommend it. The author, Daniel Clowes, is a master of the medium.
Be prepared for a more surreal experience than the movie, though.
It also goes much deeper into the psychology of a teenage girl.
An excellent first graphic novel to buy.
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Old 04-24-2008, 03:11 PM
 
Location: DFW
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I absolutely recommend it. The author, Daniel Clowes, is a master of the medium.
Be prepared for a more surreal experience than the movie, though.
It also goes much deeper into the psychology of a teenage girl.
An excellent first graphic novel to buy.
I was a teenage girl once, can he really teach me anything there?

I put it on my amazon.com list, I look forward to reading it.
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Old 04-24-2008, 03:27 PM
 
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I was a teenage girl once, can he really teach me anything there?

I put it on my amazon.com list, I look forward to reading it.
Haha - interesting question.
It is pretty odd that the author is able to display the understanding of teenage girls that he does. Especially since he seems like a pretty cantankerous guy himself.

I don't think he'll teach you anything - but he does a good job of developing his characters in believable ways. Hope you enjoy it.
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Old 04-25-2008, 12:21 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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But the movie that was made from it is not literature.
It is a movie.
True, not every movie is of 'high quality art'.
Then again, not every literary work is justified to be called literature. Some aspire to be literature but haven't quite reached that level yet.
There are literary writers who use an abundance of words to describe something, but then there also are the minimalists.
Most writers only use words to paint a story, but comic book writers use words AND the visual medium.
I suggest you try Alan Moore's Promethea* where the written word and the graphics tell 'different' stories but totally complement each other.

Besidez, there have been comic issues that haven't used any words at all; they only use 'body language' and still are able to tell a complicated tale.

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*Promethea is a comic book series created by Alan Moore and J.H. Williams III with Mick Gray, published by America's Best Comics/Wildstorm. Serialized in 32 issues on an irregular schedule from 1999 to 2005, the series explores Moore's ideas about art and magic, combining elements of superhero action, metaphysical theorizing, and psychedelic revelation, all focused on the adventures of Promethea, a metafictional character that possesses magical power over the real world. Promethea is also notable for wide-ranging experimentation in visual style and storytelling technique on the part of Williams and Moore.

Source: Promethea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 04-26-2008, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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They can be true literature.
I remember when I was a kid, someone actually did a collection of the classics: Dracula, Tom Sawyer, The Count of Monte Cristo, A Tale of Two Cities, The Three Musketeers, etc... I loved them. Better than Cliffs Notes.

Wish I still had them....
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Old 04-26-2008, 01:31 PM
 
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I remember when I was a kid, someone actually did a collection of the classics: Dracula, Tom Sawyer, The Count of Monte Cristo, A Tale of Two Cities, The Three Musketeers, etc... I loved them. Better than Cliffs Notes.

Wish I still had them....
They read those comic books in Major League! I love that scene and that movie.
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Old 04-26-2008, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Bronx, NY
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I remember when I was a kid, someone actually did a collection of the classics: Dracula, Tom Sawyer, The Count of Monte Cristo, A Tale of Two Cities, The Three Musketeers, etc... I loved them. Better than Cliffs Notes.

Wish I still had them....
Was that the Now Age Illustrated series? I had one of those that was a small collection of Poe stories-- "The Pit and the Pendulum," "The Fall of the House of Usher", etc. I practically wore that out when I was a kid.

My first love is Maus, but I also highly recommend Guy Delisle's Pyongyang.
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