08-16-2011, 06:50 PM
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Why do people overreact about Roxbury, Dorchester, and Mattapan ?
08-16-2011, 06:58 PM
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Why do people overreact about Roxbury, Dorchester, and Mattapan ? Maybe because they aren't black? Does that cross the line or just the truth? There is crime everywhere you go.
no they are the most dangerous areas of the city.
08-16-2011, 07:54 PM
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Why do people overreact about Roxbury, Dorchester, and Mattapan ?
I think it comes down to this, people who live in high crime areas are desensitized to crime, they think that's just the way life is, plus as the original poster has proven many times at this point, Because there are places that are worse, that automatically means Dot,Mat,Rox are safe. Sad because you can't deny statistical fact, but they do!
08-16-2011, 10:50 PM
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I think it comes down to this, people who live in high crime areas are desensitized to crime, they think that's just the way life is, plus as the original poster has proven many times at this point, Because there are places that are worse, that automatically means Dot,Mat,Rox are safe. Sad because you can't deny statistical fact, but they do!
True. People we knew in Back Bay were scared to visit us in LR. But there are people in Newburyport who would never set foot in Back Bay because relatively speaking the crime rate is way higher.
Me? I grew up in a hood where I had 50 fistfights before high school. Now I go anywhere I want.
08-19-2011, 03:04 PM
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Boston is one of the safest big cities in America. Even the "bad' parts, while having some crime, are not really all that bad. Even when you look at the statistics, the vast majority of the people who live in these neighborhoods have nothing happen to them. Don't deal drugs, live on the corner drugs are dealt or hang around with drug dealers and the odds are overwhleming that you'll be okay.
08-19-2011, 03:13 PM
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Boston is one of the safest big cities in America. Even the "bad' parts, while having some crime, are not really all that bad. Even when you look at the statistics, the vast majority of the people who live in these neighborhoods have nothing happen to them. Don't deal drugs, live on the corner drugs are dealt or hang around with drug dealers and the odds are overwhleming that you'll be okay.
I didn't realize that statistics told you what "the majority of people" are doing, only that the crimes are happening. Yes Boston is safe compared to other cities, but rationalizing by saying other places are worse so this must be safe is ridiculous to say the least. You bring up statistics but are obviously ignoring them completely. Just because you can go there or live there and your still alive does NOT make it a safe place. I worked in all 3 for years and I'm still here. Doesn't make them safe neighborhoods. My brother spent almost 2 years in Iraq, he's back home now and alive and well, so that must mean that Iraq is a safe place to be right?
08-19-2011, 04:01 PM
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I didn't realize that statistics told you what "the majority of people" are doing, only that the crimes are happening. Yes Boston is safe compared to other cities, but rationalizing by saying other places are worse so this must be safe is ridiculous to say the least. You bring up statistics but are obviously ignoring them completely. Just because you can go there or live there and your still alive does NOT make it a safe place. I worked in all 3 for years and I'm still here. Doesn't make them safe neighborhoods. My brother spent almost 2 years in Iraq, he's back home now and alive and well, so that must mean that Iraq is a safe place to be right?
I'm ignoring statistics? No, I'm actually reading them. I did not say there was NO crime, nor did I ever say it was "safe". What I said was they are not as bad as their rep. The thread is about overreacting to the actual crime levels in these neighborhoods, and that's what I am talking about.
Dorchester for instance is HUGE. There are parts of Dorchester where nothing happens in the way or murder, rape and such. What you have is some petty crime in these places. Yet, anyone who lives there is subjected to OH MY GOD YOU LIVE IN DORCHESTER!!!!! on a regular basis. I think that's ridiculous. Of course there may be people who say even petty crime is too much... to each his own. Thats fine. But people are not likely to die or get hurt there either, and that's the first thing some people think when you say Roxbury, Dorchester and the like. Don't even get me started in Mattapan.
Even in some of the "high crime" areas, the crime is highly attached to the drug trade. So if you are not dealing drugs or close enough to get caught in crossfire by those who are dealing/using, guess what? Now, there ARE parts of neighborhoods where getting caught up in the drug dealing aftermath is a real possibility, so for THOSE places I would say they get their bad rep honestly. But those places are never as large as people think they are.
I'm not ignoring anything, I'm looking at the numbers and reacting to what they actually say.
08-21-2011, 04:33 AM
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Snatale1: you seem to be very well versed in these three large swaths of the city. Could you let us know where you live that you have such keen first hand information on what they're like?
08-21-2011, 06:49 AM
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Snatale1: you seem to be very well versed in these three large swaths of the city. Could you let us know where you live that you have such keen first hand information on what they're like?
Not that it makes a difference, but West Roxbury. I WORKED in the 3 for almost 10yrs straight. Between driving a tow truck with all our shop accounts in those neighborhoods as well as doing AAA, trespass towing and repos, then being a cable installer for years. I spent almost all day every day in and out of every street, apartment bldg and neighborhood they have. It's very realistic that I've seen and been through more of those three neighborhoods than most of the people that live there. So YES I have a very good idea of what there about.
08-21-2011, 07:46 AM
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Not that it makes a difference, but West Roxbury. I WORKED in the 3 for almost 10yrs straight. Between driving a tow truck with all our shop accounts in those neighborhoods as well as doing AAA, trespass towing and repos, then being a cable installer for years. I spent almost all day every day in and out of every street, apartment bldg and neighborhood they have. It's very realistic that I've seen and been through more of those three neighborhoods than most of the people that live there. So YES I have a very good idea of what there about.
Actually, it does make a difference because if you said you lived in Holliston, for example, and had never lived in the city (which sadly is the case for most of the people who make comments like yours), it would give you less credibility. Your tow truck driving experience notwithstanding, I still think you are very much wrong, but at least you know of what you speak (however jaded).
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Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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