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Why? Brown had his chance to debate before the primary. He doesn't get a "second bite of the apple". He should have campaigned seriously before he lost.
It was mentioned that it seemed like he wasn't giving too much effort towards a campaign. So, I'm wondering if he thought it was going to be easy.
I'm sure he did. I think that he -- and probably most politicians as well as most Democratic voters in Buffalo dismissed Walton because she describes herself as a democratic Socialist. For that reason, a lot of Brown supporters assumed "somebody else" would go to the polls and vote for Brown ... but not enough of them did. Oh, well.
Many on this board use Portland to drum up fear that Buffalo will become a riotous graffiti covered homeless encampment if a "socialist" is elected.
Well what about Burlington? Bernie was elected as a Socialist mayor of Burlington, and although he got little support from the legislature and PD when elected, over time he ended up being popular and well respected, getting himself re-elected, and arguably getting Burlington on a better path than prior mayors. If he had been nominated in 2016, he may have actually won the Presidency.
Note that the mayor of Portland is NOT a socialist, and has been criticized for being too cozy and lenient on the police. The mayor is part of the entrenched Democratic political machine.
Many of its problems are related to its growth and wealth, attracting too many people, including hordes of homeless (as do other moderate climate West Coast cities).
Buffalo does not have the demographics, climate, attraction, or growth history of Portland. Buffalo, as usual, will be its own thing.
Also, as far as "bad Portland" goes, Portland has grown more populated and wealthier over the past years and decades, and the city developments themselves have been held up as some of the best urban planning and development in the country. Buffalo was a bigger city than Portland up through the 1980s, and since then Portland has grown to double the size of Buffalo.
Buffalo could learn a thing or two from Portland and Burlington - good lessons and bad lessons.
Many on this board use Portland to drum up fear that Buffalo will become a riotous graffiti covered homeless encampment if a "socialist" is elected.
Well what about Burlington? Bernie was elected as a Socialist mayor of Burlington, and although he got little support from the legislature and PD when elected, over time he ended up being popular and well respected, getting himself re-elected, and arguably getting Burlington on a better path than prior mayors. If he had been nominated in 2016, he may have actually won the Presidency.
Note that the mayor of Portland is NOT a socialist, and has been criticized for being too cozy and lenient on the police. The mayor is part of the entrenched Democratic political machine.
Many of its problems are related to its growth and wealth, attracting too many people, including hordes of homeless (as do other moderate climate West Coast cities).
Buffalo does not have the demographics, climate, attraction, or growth history of Portland. Buffalo, as usual, will be its own thing.
Also, as far as "bad Portland" goes, Portland has grown more populated and wealthier over the past years and decades, and the city developments themselves have been held up as some of the best urban planning and development in the country. Buffalo was a bigger city than Portland up through the 1980s, and since then Portland has grown to double the size of Buffalo.
Buffalo could learn a thing or two from Portland and Burlington - good lessons and bad lessons.
I remember back a couple of decades ago, Portland developed some very strick zoning laws, dictating where people could and could not live.
Its a popular ploy to cite other cities when talking about Buffalo to divert attention from the real issues. Burlington, Vermont is nothing like Buffalo, its 86% white, steadily increasing in population and the largest city in the state. I have been there (its home to Ben and Jerry's) and its a beautiful city that reminded me of 1950's Buffalo before "Urban Renewal" destroyed almost all of its character. I saw lots of people strolling around with many children. An abundance of local stores as well. Portland is the largest city in Oregon and has steadily increasing population. Its 76% white, 7% Asian and 6% African American. (WIKI) "The area is home to the global, North American or U.S. headquarters of Nike, Adidas, Columbia Sportswear, LaCrosse Footwear, Dr. Martens, Li-Ning, Keen, and Hi-Tec Sports. While headquartered elsewhere, Merrell, Amer Sports and Under Armour have design studios and local offices in the Portland area" The area is growing and many other companies are there. Its big news when a call center opens in Buffalo to take advantage of cheap labor. Portland's homeless problem is due in a large part to the temperate climate. There is really no comparison for either of the 2 vs Buffalo. When you look at the overall picture, Buffalo was a major city in the early 1900s and has been losing population since the 1950's. It has the same population it had in 1890. Portland and Burlington are still growing and are the largest cities in their respective states.
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Its a popular ploy to cite other cities when talking about Buffalo to divert attention from the real issues. Burlington, Vermont is nothing like Buffalo, its 86% white, steadily increasing in population and the largest city in the state. I have been there (its home to Ben and Jerry's) and its a beautiful city that reminded me of 1950's Buffalo before "Urban Renewal" destroyed almost all of its character. I saw lots of people strolling around with many children. An abundance of local stores as well. Portland is the largest city in Oregon and has steadily increasing population. Its 76% white, 7% Asian and 6% African American. (WIKI) "The area is home to the global, North American or U.S. headquarters of Nike, Adidas, Columbia Sportswear, LaCrosse Footwear, Dr. Martens, Li-Ning, Keen, and Hi-Tec Sports. While headquartered elsewhere, Merrell, Amer Sports and Under Armour have design studios and local offices in the Portland area" The area is growing and many other companies are there. Its big news when a call center opens in Buffalo to take advantage of cheap labor. Portland's homeless problem is due in a large part to the temperate climate. There is really no comparison for either of the 2 vs Buffalo. When you look at the overall picture, Buffalo was a major city in the early 1900s and has been losing population since the 1950's. It has the same population it had in 1890. Portland and Burlington are still growing and are the largest cities in their respective states.
You are correct. There are some that have to hop on the band wagon of the next latest and greatest project, or government program, like removing expressways, and so forth. Every city is different in almost every way.
A city, same as an individual, has nothing to gain by comparing itself to others. The only true comparison is are you better today than yesterday?
Its a popular ploy to cite other cities when talking about Buffalo to divert attention from the real issues. Burlington, Vermont is nothing like Buffalo, its 86% white, steadily increasing in population and the largest city in the state. I have been there (its home to Ben and Jerry's) and its a beautiful city that reminded me of 1950's Buffalo before "Urban Renewal" destroyed almost all of its character. I saw lots of people strolling around with many children. An abundance of local stores as well. Portland is the largest city in Oregon and has steadily increasing population. Its 76% white, 7% Asian and 6% African American. (WIKI) "The area is home to the global, North American or U.S. headquarters of Nike, Adidas, Columbia Sportswear, LaCrosse Footwear, Dr. Martens, Li-Ning, Keen, and Hi-Tec Sports. While headquartered elsewhere, Merrell, Amer Sports and Under Armour have design studios and local offices in the Portland area" The area is growing and many other companies are there. Its big news when a call center opens in Buffalo to take advantage of cheap labor. Portland's homeless problem is due in a large part to the temperate climate. There is really no comparison for either of the 2 vs Buffalo. When you look at the overall picture, Buffalo was a major city in the early 1900s and has been losing population since the 1950's. It has the same population it had in 1890. Portland and Burlington are still growing and are the largest cities in their respective states.
Portland also is an example of a city that expanded its city limits over the years as well.
Burlington is really a little bit bigger version of Ithaca. So, it is still a small city in a state that has about 2/3rds the population of Erie County.
With this said, I think the larger point of RocketSci post was missed, as he was just stating an example of a person in the same position and with the same political leaning or label. Burlington was a fine city during that time and is still a fine city after Sanders left. So, I think the point is to show that even if Walton wins, Buffalo can and likely will still be alright.
Totally agree. I didn't closely follow the Buffalo mayoral primary because I don't live in Buffalo any more but AFAIK, Walton isn't particularly "radical". I'm not sure if I would have voted for her in the primary because I think that Brown has been a good mayor for Buffalo -- probably the best mayor since WW II -- but I would have no qualms about voting for her in the general election. IMO, that the likes of Carl Paladino rail against her is more reason to vote for her.
It's not possible for Walton to be as bad for Buffalo as Jimmy Griffin or the unholy alliance of Tony Masiello and Carl Paladino (who was a Democrat back then) even if she would prove to be totally incompetent. Corruption easily eclipses incompetence.
That bolded part is the thing. She backs the BPS Teacher's Union and wants a moratorium on the creation of more charter schools. That appears to be the opposite of radical and more in line with the educational status quo.
Portland also is an example of a city that expanded its city limits over the years as well.
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That may be true, but as I recall, they also had an agreement that growth would only occur in Portland, and not surrounding counties. Higher density zoning was clustered around their new, at the time light rail.
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