What next! (Los Angeles: unemployment, college, taxes)

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by malamute

1. Welfare is very generous when you add up free housing, paid utilities and even a government provided cell phone, all the free food you can eat with food stamps, WIC, free meals at schools and head start. Free babysitting at the head start centers. Even free money from one of the welfare programs called TANF. Really why work hard when you can have the government give you everything you could want?

2. One baby you cannot afford and you immediately qualify for Section 8 vouchers, food stamps, WIC, free utilities, and even free cash -- from the one program called TANF.
... etc.

Originally Posted by malamute

Illegals have US born babies that get them all kinds of welfare handouts. Why else would people be moving from third world regions where they cannot afford the low cost of living and come to a very high cost of living region and have more babies than anyone else?

Of course illegals get welfare -- and every baby they have brings in more welfare and it costs them $0 to give birth here because the government pays the costs of their births here but that isn't the case back home.

Originally Posted by malamute

Also the population of California is increasing at a high rate -- and it's not all that many middle class types from other states moving in, much of the population increase is from immigration, including illegals.

The rate of illegal immigration might be down -- but no one counts illegals coming over the border, but the numbers coming are still high. No one counts them leaving either. It's absurd to claim the numbers are down when there are no facts to support that -- especially when it's a fact that remittances to Mexico are way up this year.

Here's the thing. Malamute: since every one of your accusations has been factually proven false, repeatedly, with citations, over and over and over again -- yet you continue to spew the same unsubstantiated nonsense -- there is only one conclusion that can be drawn:

you are being paid by some fanatical right-wing group to flood the internet with this false propaganda.
Who is it, Malamute? Which nut-job fringe group is backing you?

[TrueTimbers]

Originally Posted by nullgeo

Here's the thing. Malamute: since every one of your accusations has been factually proven false, repeatedly, with citations, over and over and over again -- yet you continue to spew the same unsubstantiated nonsense -- there is only one conclusion that can be drawn:

you are being paid by some fanatical right-wing group to flood the internet with this false propaganda.
Who is it, Malamute? Which nut-job fringe group is backing you?

Naw Null...
Just a gullible individual.... The kind that buys ocean front property in Arizona..


The article offered us the opportunity to discuss some relevant issues we all face... But no..... Just rant "welfare" "immigration" bla bla....

[analyze_this]

The best solution would be to offer the illegals seasonal work permits so they can come work for a while and then go back to Mexico when the harvesting season is over. I think they would be better off as well as they could spend the dollars back in Mexico and live like kings.

My question is, why dosent Governor Brown lead from the front on this?

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by analyze_this

The best solution would be to offer the illegals seasonal work permits so they can come work for a while and then go back to Mexico when the harvesting season is over. I think they would be better off as well as they could spend the dollars back in Mexico and live like kings.

My question is, why dosent Governor Brown lead from the front on this?

California agricultural work isn't seasonal. It is full-time, year round.

[Fontucky]

What's up with this seasonal crap lately? When did California ag ever take a break like the land of snow, ice and freezing temps does?

[ZhugeLiang]

With unemployment benefits stretched to 99 weeks, why would anyone get a job where they would have taxes taken out when they can pick up a handout check and double-dip by working for cash under the table?

Let's not forget Obama's executive order removing the workfare requirement, that isn't helping either. When you encourage people not to work, why would anyone be surprised by this outcome in the OP link?

[malamute]

And Obama has made it so illegals ages 16 to 30 have no need to work in agriculture.

This is completely a government created problem. The government is handing out work visas to illegals so they can take the high paying cushy jobs that unemployed Americans should be taking. The government provides long term unemployment handouts that pay much better than farming jobs pay. And the government keeps welfare recipients from working, once they have income to report they lose their nice handouts.

It's pretty pathetic when a state complains of high unemployment, has the highest number of welfare recipients and the highest number of illegals and still sees the crops rotting in the fields.

There are fewer than 800,000 jobs in agriculture in the whole USA so only a portion of these jobs are in California -- and in spite of the millions of unemployed, the millions of welfare recipients, and the millions of illegals, it's absurd no one will consider doing these jobs.

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by ZhugeLiang

With unemployment benefits stretched to 99 weeks, why would anyone get a job where they would have taxes taken out when they can pick up a handout check and double-dip by working for cash under the table?

Let's not forget Obama's executive order removing the workfare requirement, that isn't helping either. When you encourage people not to work, why would anyone be surprised by this outcome in the OP link?

Please verify your claims. Who is working under the table while collecting unemployment checks? That is illegal. If they are caught they will be prosecuted. Fraud in unemployment and welfare both are estimated to be in the 2%-3% range.

Obama did not remove the workfare requirement. He altered the federal requirement to allow individual states to adjust their programs as they see fit and more efficient with ratios of work and other training to fit circumstances.

Of course this is a free country so you are free to believe fiction rather than educate yourself to facts anytime you wish.

[TrueTimbers]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

Bulldog,, You are wrong.

We have crops on our land rotting in the field because there are not enough workers to harvest.
Why aren't there enough workers even though unemployment is high?
A. Citizens won't work in the fields. 20% of field workers are citizens and they are uniformly of Mexican descent.
B. Commercial agriculture is expanding in Mexico at a rapid rate, it is easier now for workers to remain in Mexico and work. This forces the US to be dependent on more food imported from Mexico which is as good an idea as depending on imported oil.
C. The anti illegal crowd is having an effect, illegals find it harder to work here, which would be fine if there was a replacement, there isn't. Ag in CA is a 40 billion dollar direct impact industry with a ripple effect of 600 billion dollars (workers buying clothing, groceries, rent, tractor and truck purchases etc.) No illegals and the ag economy will crash, taking CA with it.

This is a serious problem, and it is true that government has done little about it. However it is also true that the anti illegal crowd has not looked beyond their collective noses to see that one cannot destroy a sector of the economy without destroying multiple sectors of the economy.

Now, I have encouraged all red blooded patriotic Americans to take a job from an illegal, if each one of the anti illegal crowd goes to work in the fields we would not need the illegals, consider it your patriotic duty.

IMO this is the crux of the problem..
So, farmers can leave the crops rot in the field, or pay a higher wage, until the level of the wage attracts workers.

Pass the cost down the line... Consumer prices will increase. US grown produce will have difficulty competing with Mexican grown produce, the Mexican economy will benefit. Eventually, lifting from a 3rd world nation to be like Canada.

I believe the track the GOP is promoting will one day have Americans will be crossing the boarder to Mexico or Canada for a "better life"

Or again pay wage that attracts workers, pass the cost to the consumers, place tariffs on imported crops, and solve the problem that way... (IMO then we need to lock the border.)

Anti welfare folks, I am a Socialist, and believe in a high safety net... A high safety net reduces desperation, reducing crime and prison populations... Two very expensive things!! (Both fiscally and socially)

Pull the bottom up I say!

With that said, I support work for welfare... Able bodies should not sit idle... Bring back the depression era projects, put those to work who need it... (Yes this is very socialistic, but I firmly believe the Government is the peoples tool to make life better for all! NOT just the wealthy multi national corporations.. Income disparity needs to be addressed, or we will all fail.

[analyze_this]

California needs to encourage more illegals to stay and work here. I dont want to pay 10 , times for my fruit and veggies.