Texas Economy VS California's (Los Angeles, San Francisco: crime, hotel, landscaping)

[owl6969]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Umm, those numbers pretty much say it all, owl.

Since you like love paying CA taxes and California is the best to YOU.. they should like never have such a big, major, vital and important global corporation leave.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by owl6969

Since you like love paying CA taxes and California is the best to YOU.. then they should like never have such a big, major, vital and important global corporation leave.

Owl, are you drinking tonight?

[owl6969]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Owl, are you drinking tonight?

Huh?????? Ugghhh what are you doing??? Since you think California is so great and etc as you make it out to be.. if that is so, a vital, major and such a important global corporation should never leave.

[NativeOrange]

C'mon. No one on earth LOVES to pay taxes. They aren't labeled a necessary evil for nothin'.

But some of us don't mind them as much, or value simple things or lifestyles more than others (which, on a personal level, all the recreational activities CA offers FOR FREE really boost QOL). Regardless, my state income taxes this year were child's play compared to how much the Feds took.

Big companies relocate all the time, for many different reasons. CA is not special in this regard, and that is just one high profile example.

[blauskies]

Originally Posted by Mr5150

Texas at #29 from the top. CA at #10 from the top. And then there is the weather....

Enough said:


US states economy ranking Q4 2015 - Business Insider

So since crude is tanking, The Ballad of Jed Calmpett needs to be re-written I take it?

Come and listen to a story about a man named Jed
A poor mountaineer, barely kept his family fed,
And then one day he was shootin at some food,
And up through the ground came a bubblin crude.

Oil that is, black gold, Texas tea.

Well the first thing you know ol Jed's a millionaire,
Kinfolk said "Jed move away from there"
Said "Californy is the place you ought to be"
So they loaded up the truck and moved to Beverly

Hills, that is. Swimmin pools, movie stars.

[owl6969]

Originally Posted by NativeOrange

LOVES to pay taxes.

Was talking about California taxes specifically.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by jw2

expat, this is a serious question, what California governance drove your wife to want to leave? Not everything the state government does pleases me, not at all, but nothing (for me) rises to the level of leaving just because of them (I don't have a real fondness for any governments, to be honest). But, this state belongs to the 38 million of us that live here, not the 40 State Senators and 80 State Assembly members.

I feel the same way about the federal government. I have no inclination of leaving the US either.

Hi,

Taxes, Exorbitant fees to start with. She also hates the crowded roads, not just freeways and the crowding when shopping due to the population. I personally hate the crowds and terrible traffic. The costs I can deal with. Governance covers many things including uncontrolled growth. CA Gov't seems to feel that if you live in CA you must pay more for ... less services, etc. We have lived in 7 States, CA three times and even though some States had bad weather, like IN, and some had high taxes, the Gov't did not cause so many problems. Hard to be specific as some are personal irritations and other business related. Yes, I can deal with such, could buy a house in OC where I would like to live, but her feelings come first.

I suspect some of her feelings are due to the immense changes she (and I) have seen growing up in SoCal as it is a mess compared to what it was years ago. In a sense no ones fault, just frustrating as we used to be able to enjoy all CA had to offer with a lot less trouble, cost and frustration. Being older does not help either. For the young, CA can be fun, for families you better make a good living or you won't have time or money to enjoy a lot of what CA has to offer. If you have a great income and don't mind the crowding, go for it.

Now I visit when I can, enjoy the things to do I like and then leave. Was there twice last year.

[NJ Brazen_3133]

Much of the economy in each state, in the country, in the world, is concentrated with a small percentage in each of the areas. Most of the money goes to few people in each of the areas. So what does it matter which state has a better economy? It isn't really "better" for most people. Most normal people in each state is pretty much the same.


In other words, the difference that you see between each state is not really about the state, but few movers and shakers.

[jw2]

Originally Posted by expatCA

Hi,

Taxes, Exorbitant fees to start with. She also hates the crowded roads, not just freeways and the crowding when shopping due to the population. I personally hate the crowds and terrible traffic. The costs I can deal with. Governance covers many things including uncontrolled growth. CA Gov't seems to feel that if you live in CA you must pay more for ... less services, etc. We have lived in 7 States, CA three times and even though some States had bad weather, like IN, and some had high taxes, the Gov't did not cause so many problems. Hard to be specific as some are personal irritations and other business related. Yes, I can deal with such, could buy a house in OC where I would like to live, but her feelings come first.

I suspect some of her feelings are due to the immense changes she (and I) have seen growing up in SoCal as it is a mess compared to what it was years ago. In a sense no ones fault, just frustrating as we used to be able to enjoy all CA had to offer with a lot less trouble, cost and frustration. Being older does not help either. For the young, CA can be fun, for families you better make a good living or you won't have time or money to enjoy a lot of what CA has to offer. If you have a great income and don't mind the crowding, go for it.

Now I visit when I can, enjoy the things to do I like and then leave. Was there twice last year.

expat, thanks for giving it a shot.

Sometimes people just don't like something without a specific reason, there is nothing wrong with that. I have a good friend in Texas and we have lighthearted debates on why each should move to each other's state. She is a Texan through and through, you couldn't drag her out of Texas no matter what, so this is all just for fun. Truth of the matter, sometimes people just want to live (or not live) in a particular place.

In your wife's case, sometimes something different is well worth it. Nothing at all wrong with that. I think change is great. I have traveled around this country and this world a lot and have seen a lot of different cultures. It is fun. I would imagine someone growing tired of California could find a lot of excitement in other areas just like I can imagine people growing tired of other areas finding new excitement in California. The things you take for granted in California no longer excite you but when you go to another area, things really stick out, such as a different fauna, flora, topography, and even the people are different. It becomes exciting. The people there, perhaps take all that for granted and are excited when they see waves crash on the California coast. The CA weather, which you may have taken for granted, becomes a jewel to someone else. etc.

[oldtrader]

Actually taxes is not the reason so many big corporations are leaving California. It also is not the reason, that California companies are opening their new facilities in other states as they are.

Lets look at the big reasons.

1--Excessive regulations. If you want to open a new facility in California, it takes 2.5 years to get the permits to open often having to be approved by over 50 agencies. You can get the permits in several other states in a matter of a few days. And we are talking about the same quality, and environmentally safe in either place. This is why Tesla is opening their new battery plant in Nevada. As they announced they will need the batteries coming off the assembly line in 18 months, and it takes a year or more to build a plant. In other words, they can't sit around for over 3 years waiting to get the new batteries.

2--Cost to do business. Electricity which is a big cost, is so out of reason in California compared to many other places. The labor costs are so much higher. Etc. Etc. A company like Toyota can move their operation from Southern California to Texas and lower operating costs as much as 40%. That 40% can be used to lower prices to be more competitive. That 40% can be used to enlarge the business, and produce much more income. That 40% can give the ability to raise wages etc. That 40% can increase dividends to stock holders.

3--Their employees can have a higher standard of living in their new location, than in California.