Safety for all act proposal for CA, anyone actually read? (tax, auction)

[neutrino78x]

Originally Posted by expatCA

From other criminals and worst case smuggled in like drugs.

Well, the fact remains that you can't "go into a gun store and get all the parts and assemble the gun illegally".

The law will not stop criminals.

It will slow them down and deter further criminal activity when they are caught and convicted.

I guess, by your logic, we should not have a law against murder. People still commit murder so what's the point, right?

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by neutrino78x

Well, the fact remains that you can't "go into a gun store and get all the parts and assemble the gun illegally".



It will slow them down and deter further criminal activity when they are caught and convicted.

I guess, by your logic, we should not have a law against murder. People still commit murder so what's the point, right?

Slowing down, like 1 hour? Because that's how long it took me to finish an 80% and the parts kit.


Do it anyways right? How about we arrest the 80,000 felons that attempt to buy each year? We already know who they are.

[neutrino78x]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

Slowing down, like 1 hour? Because that's how long it took me to finish an 80% and the parts kit.

Most of the mass shooters get their firearms legally. Adam Lanza, for example, was given access to firearms by his mother, and his mother obtained her firearms legally.

Obviously, neither of them are responsible firearm owners. Well, obvious to a reasonable person. Maybe not to a gun nut.

Do it anyways right? How about we arrest the 80,000 felons that attempt to buy each year? We already know who they are.

That may very well be one of many things we should do.

Along with banning some classes of firearms, dramatically increasing the tax on ammunition, etc.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by neutrino78x

Most of the mass shooters get their firearms legally. Adam Lanza, for example, was given access to firearms by his mother, and his mother obtained her firearms legally.

Obviously, neither of them are responsible firearm owners. Well, obvious to a reasonable person. Maybe not to a gun nut.



That may very well be one of many things we should do.

Along with banning some classes of firearms, dramatically increasing the tax on ammunition, etc.

It would make much more sense to arrest FELONS that are committing FELONIES than making a bunch of new garbage laws with loopholes big enough to steam an aircraft carrier through don't you think? We have their addresses too. That is, if we really are attempting to save lives.

[neutrino78x]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

It would make much more sense to arrest FELONS that are committing FELONIES than making a bunch of new garbage laws with loopholes big enough to steam an aircraft carrier through don't you think? We have their addresses too. That is, if we really are attempting to save lives.

Well, there are several issues going on:

• mass shootings, most of which are performed with a legally obtained weapon. Since these people typically acquire their weapon legally, we should examine more restrictions to prevent them from doing so
• some classes of firearms just too dangerous for civilians. For example, semiautomatic rifles. Civilians should not have those. They don't have a valid self defense purpose and they just make mass shootings easier.
• too much general gun violence/murder, even using weapons that have valid self defense purposes, such as semiautomatic pistols. This is the hardest one to address. It seems that a dramatically increased tax on ammunition, that gets adjusted for inflation each year, would help.

[aslowdodge]

Originally Posted by neutrino78x

Most of the mass shooters get their firearms legally. Adam Lanza, for example, was given access to firearms by his mother, and his mother obtained her firearms legally.

Obviously, neither of them are responsible firearm owners. Well, obvious to a reasonable person. Maybe not to a gun nut.



That may very well be one of many things we should do.

Along with banning some classes of firearms, dramatically increasing the tax on ammunition, etc.

The San Bernadino shooters committed a mass shooting and got their guns illegally.

Taxing ammo an incredibly high rate was another tactic looked at by those who want to to ban firearms.

On the one hand you say just ban the military weapons, on the other hand your suggestions effectively come close to banning all firearms. You can see why gun owners don't trust or even enter rational conversations with people like you because you say one thing then say another or attempt to pass a low that does what you say you are not trying to do.

Raising tax on ammo makes it more valuable. It will incentivize criminals to steal it.

Here in Ga a gun store was broken into and they left everything, didn't touch the registers, they just stole guns. Raise the price of ammo and they'll steal that to.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by neutrino78x

Well, there are several issues going on:

• mass shootings, most of which are performed with a legally obtained weapon. Since these people typically acquire their weapon legally, we should examine more restrictions to prevent them from doing so
• some classes of firearms just too dangerous for civilians. For example, semiautomatic rifles. Civilians should not have those. They don't have a valid self defense purpose and they just make mass shootings easier.
• too much general gun violence/murder, even using weapons that have valid self defense purposes, such as semiautomatic pistols. This is the hardest one to address. It seems that a dramatically increased tax on ammunition, that gets adjusted for inflation each year, would help.

So create a tax that hits the poor the hardest. That's your solution?



My pump 760 Remington shoots just as fast as my 740 semi. Even takes the same mags. Ban pump rifles next? Most mass shootings are done with handguns.

[neutrino78x]

Originally Posted by aslowdodge

The San Bernadino shooters committed a mass shooting and got their guns illegally.

No they didn't.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/04/us...ined.html?_r=0

Taxing ammo an incredibly high rate was another tactic looked at by those who want to to ban firearms.

Well, it is a good way to make it harder for gun nuts and other types of psychos, as well as those who are not psycho but have criminal intent, such as gangs etc., to accumulate large amounts of ammunition.

On the one hand you say just ban the military weapons, on the other hand your suggestions effectively come close to banning all firearms.

Nope. The firearms I want to ban are ones that do not have a self defense application.

You can see why gun owners don't trust or even enter rational conversations with people like you

that's ironic. and that should say "gun nuts" not "gun owners". There are many gun owners who are against gun nuts.

[neutrino78x]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

So create a tax that hits the poor the hardest. That's your solution?

The poor benefit from having less gun violence among them. Another one of those things that are obvious to reasonable people but not so obvious to gun nuts like yourself. I know you want the whole world to be like Somalia -- where there is no government to speak of and everyone has a gun on them -- but most of us wouldn't want that. In case you hadn't noticed, Somalia isn't exactly paradise. Well, maybe it is, for people like you. lol.

If you're only buying ammunition FOR SELF DEFENSE...which is the only reason for the 2nd Amendment that is still relevant today...then you wouldn't notice the tax on ammunition we're talking about.

It would be like the CRV tax on plastic bottles and aluminum cans. If you're like me and only buy a couple per day, you don't notice it. If you buy hundreds, then you'll notice.

My pump 760 Remington shoots just as fast as my 740 semi.

No, a pump action shotgun has to be "pumped" after every shot. Hence the term "pump action shotgun". Oh sure, of course it is POSSIBLE to fire a pump action shotgun as quickly as one that is semiautomatic.

And no, a civilian doesn't need a semiautomatic shotgun.

[neutrino78x]

This link is for aslowdodge, 1angrytaxpayer and others who think all gun owners are gun nuts:

4 Gun Nut Talking Points Debunked By A Gun Owner

And of course there are many veterans, including combat veterans, who support reasonable gun control as well.