Better Prepare For The Climate Refugees Headed Our Way Shortly (Los Angeles: sale, real estate)

[thrillobyte]

Climate change and rising coastal waters are not to be taken lightly. Already Miami Beach is starting to "sink" under the Atlantic as streets regularly become waterlogged by encroaching ocean water. California, despite its high COL will be a primary target for these refugees as areas further inland start to get developed to accommodate the rise in the number of people fleeing the Southeast and Midwest. In the Northwest part of LA County where I live the streets are already choking with traffic during morning and late afternoon rush hours. I won't drive during those times. The map in the link below shows which parts of the West will be most inundated with these climate refugees (that's what the article calls them) and SoCal to Las Vegas is projected to be the largest growth region. That stands to region when you consider that land to the immediate west and east of the I-5 to Nevada is plentiful with undeveloped flat tracts.

The prices of real estate can only go up in SoCal so if you're thinking about selling, I'd advise not to, especially if you have children you want to pass your property onto. I recently sold a junkie 3+1 in Highland Park 1000 sq ft for 735K for my terminally ill mother. She paid 16K for it back in the early 70's so the sale was pure profit. I will have an enormous capital gain tax to pay but that still leaves roughly half a million to pocket. Others in this California forum I'm sure are in the same desirable position to cash in on their houses. Think before selling. But then plan for fighting even worse elbow to elbow people in the next 20 years if you decide to stay.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ration-is-here

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by thrillobyte

The prices of real estate can only go up in SoCal so if you're thinking about selling, I'd advise not to, especially if you have children you want to pass your property onto. I recently sold a junkie 3+1 in Highland Park 1000 sq ft for 735K for my terminally ill mother. She paid 16K for it back in the early 70's so the sale was pure profit. I will have an enormous capital gain tax to pay but that still leaves roughly half a million to pocket. Others in this California forum I'm sure are in the same desirable position to cash in on their houses. Think before selling. But then plan for fighting even worse elbow to elbow people in the next 20 years if you decide to stay.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ration-is-here

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, you will depress Mutt with the though the population will increase so much.

[PhoenixSomeday]

Most of Coastal California can't be a refugee target. It's not like it's that much further above sea level than FL.

[Screenwriter70]

We're already looking at land in NorCal and northern Nevada. Someone told me that higher elevations would be safer than coastal areas (especially the East Coast) back in 2011, but I wrote him off as a conspiracy nut.

[thrillobyte]

I might have thought this was hysterics 10 years ago but then with all that crazy weather back east and Midwest over the last 10 years and the dramatic rise in housing in So Cal, both rents and selling prices of houses, I had to conclude that people in the eastern 2/3's of the country are deciding to get out and settle in more stable parts of the country, primarily the "L" of Arizona, Cali, Oregon and Washington. Small towns are dying out in the Central part of the country as young people migrate to denser urban cities like Seattle, Portland, and in and around Frisco and Los Angeles where they can afford it. Seniors in here might live to see this seismic shift in demographics 20-30 years down the road but we can feel the rumblings right now as rents soar into the stratosphere. My wife and I looked for land in central Cali around the Pismo/Grover Beach/Arroyo Grande area via an agent up there in the hopes we could build something on a piece of flat land, only to be told there wasn't any available. A quick check of the Google maps shows this to be true as the city lines have been extended right up to the mountains to the east of the area. I was flabbergasted that development has ground to a halt there.

[Exitus Acta Probat]

If they're escaping climate change, why stop in CA? Why not head to northern Canada, for a utopian life in a cool, wintery wonderland? The climate in Los Angeles is only slightly different than the climate in Tijuana or other border towns, so why do people keep shoe-horning into Los Angeles in order to escape the Climate Change of Doom.

[thrillobyte]

Originally Posted by Exitus Acta Probat

If they're escaping climate change, why stop in CA? Why not head to northern Canada, for a utopian life in a cool, wintery wonderland? The climate in Los Angeles is only slightly different than the climate in Tijuana or other border towns, so why do people keep shoe-horning into Los Angeles in order to escape the Climate Change of Doom.

Oh, I can think of a few reasons: Canada wants us in their country like they want the plague. And why would people who like warm climates want to move into freezers like Alberta? And why would they want to move into sewers like Tijuana? Nope, California offers the best of everything--ideal climate, jobs, 1st world living but at a price. So people will settle on the fringes.

[BeauCharles]

I guess you haven't taken the time to acquaint yourself with the geography of the US. The entire Midwest is much higher in elevation than anywhere in the LA Basin (OKC, Wichita, Des Moines, Indianapolis, Minneapolis, Columbus - they're all about 700 to 1,000 feet elevation. They will never flood from the absolute worst case scenario 3 ft ocean rise that "might" happen by 2100. Even Memphis TN is 338 ft - much higher than immediate coastal areas of California (Santa Monica is 105 ft, Long Beach is 52 ft, Oakland is 43 ft, etc...). Atlanta and Charlotte are from 700 to 1000 ft elevation as well.

Basically, any "climate refugees" you might see would be from the coast of California moving inland... but that ignores any preparations that will be made such as seawalls. Plus we'll all be worm food by the time it happens "if" it happens. Basically, calm down (and dare I say, stop being ridiculous). They're not moving here - and the reverse will probably continue.

[Badger09]

Originally Posted by thrillobyte

Climate change and rising coastal waters are not to be taken lightly. Already Miami Beach is starting to "sink" under the Atlantic as streets regularly become waterlogged by encroaching ocean water. California, despite its high COL will be a primary target for these refugees as areas further inland start to get developed to accommodate the rise in the number of people fleeing the Southeast and Midwest. In the Northwest part of LA County where I live the streets are already choking with traffic during morning and late afternoon rush hours. I won't drive during those times. The map in the link below shows which parts of the West will be most inundated with these climate refugees (that's what the article calls them) and SoCal to Las Vegas is projected to be the largest growth region. That stands to region when you consider that land to the immediate west and east of the I-5 to Nevada is plentiful with undeveloped flat tracts.

The prices of real estate can only go up in SoCal so if you're thinking about selling, I'd advise not to, especially if you have children you want to pass your property onto. I recently sold a junkie 3+1 in Highland Park 1000 sq ft for 735K for my terminally ill mother. She paid 16K for it back in the early 70's so the sale was pure profit. I will have an enormous capital gain tax to pay but that still leaves roughly half a million to pocket. Others in this California forum I'm sure are in the same desirable position to cash in on their houses. Think before selling. But then plan for fighting even worse elbow to elbow people in the next 20 years if you decide to stay.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ration-is-here

Florida was under water before, so who cares if people were stupid. That’s like building a home on an inactive volcano. Also, you’ll be dead before sea level rise becomes an issue.

[tetka_grunya]

I'd worry more about devastating earthquake in California vs climate refuges moving here

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/18/us/ri...rnd/index.html