CA State Pop Update: Exodus Slows Down Significantly (San Francisco: house, buying)

[ysr_racer]

Yep

[singlegirlinaz]

My immediate family left California in 1994 because it was getting too expensive and crowded even then.

I still visit family and friends there when I can and there's a lot of things to do, but I wouldn't move back. It's not a utopia like it was once advertised.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by NORTY FLATZ

Wonder how this compares with the counties of Idaho....

I have no idea but if you look it up, let us know what you find

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by cttransplant85

But it’s accelerating for tax payers, and you’re replacing them with poor, uneducated people who need state services. The whole reason California was able to afford this bloated bureaucratic nanny state for so long was because even when you were losing population you were gaining high income net contributors who were willing to pay the exorbitant taxes. The whole reason why this model works, to a degree, in Northern Europe is bc they have many high income earners willing to pay for all the government, very few people need the services, and there’s very little waste fraud and abuse. That’s not the case in California any more.

With the cost of homes and rentals I can't envision all of these "poor uneducated people who need state services moving here" Do you have a source for that?

[BGS91762]

Most people that I know that left either wanted a slower pace of life and/or couldn’t afford a house. Almost all of my friends, including myself own our houses and are perfectly happy living here. I keep wishing more people would leave though so it’s less crowded for the rest of us.

[tstieber]

Originally Posted by cttransplant85

But it’s accelerating for tax payers, and you’re replacing them with poor, uneducated people who need state services. The whole reason California was able to afford this bloated bureaucratic nanny state for so long was because even when you were losing population you were gaining high income net contributors who were willing to pay the exorbitant taxes. The whole reason why this model works, to a degree, in Northern Europe is bc they have many high income earners willing to pay for all the government, very few people need the services, and there’s very little waste fraud and abuse. That’s not the case in California any more.

From what I've read, it's more the opposite: poor people (who use U-Hauls bc they don't hire companies to move) are leaving CA bc it's gotten too expensive, while international, highly educated immigrants take their place and keep driving up housing costs. If we were getting more and more poor people and fewer and fewer wealthy people, then housing would get cheaper. Of course, there are some notable examples of ultra rich people leaving too, but we seem to have an inexhaustible demand for $2-3 million homes, which are no longer the fancy homes but still require huge incomes.

[tstieber]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

15 counties actually saw population increases, looks like the Bay Area, San Diego and Central Valley.

Otherwise, most counties lost population, but the losses have really slowed down and at this pace, we will see statewide increases maybe next year.

CA Counties by Population Change, July 1, 2022 to July 1, 2023:

+8,475---Santa Clara
+6,062---Alameda
+4,925---San Francisco
+3,949---San Diego
+3,187---Sacramento
+2,813---San Mateo
+1,170---Madera
+1,014---Placer
+962-----Fresno
+511-----San Joaquin
+460-----Merced
+451-----Kings
+91------Colusa
+88------Mono
+17------Amador
-10------Alpine
-22------Tuolumne
-34------Sierra
-57------Trinity
-69------Tulare
-71------Modoc
-83------Mariposa
-116-----Inyo
-164-----Calaveras
-267-----Solano
-269-----Humboldt
-275-----Imperial
-316-----Tehama
-346-----Siskiyou
-356-----Del Norte
-367-----Monterey
-375-----Plumas
-378-----San Luis Obispo
-399-----San Benito
-410-----Glenn
-490-----Sutter
-630-----Yuba
-638-----Butte
-644-----Mendocino
-737-----Nevada
-760-----Lake
-828-----Shasta
-949-----Riverside
-961-----Yolo
-1,013---Napa
-1,107---Marin
-1,312---Lassen
-1,342---Santa Barbara
-1,471---Sonoma
-2,057---Santa Cruz
-2,101---El Dorado
-2,201---Stanislaus
-3,578---Contra Costa
-4,497---Ventura
-5,336---Kern
-8,670---San Bernardino
-11,765--Orange
-15,217--Los Angeles

-37,203---State of California

https://dof.ca.gov/wp-content/upload...e_July2023.pdf

I'm not at all surprised by this reversal, bc it all originated with work from home during covid, mortgage rates being at all time lows, and people wanting to buy bigger homes in cheaper states. The more people are forced to go back to offices, llnew jobs become office based again, and interest rates remain too high to motivate people to sell their homes, we'll see pretty flat migration patterns. There were economic reasons for this movement, but those reasons have significantly dissipated now

[UniversalTraveler]

Well, enjoy digging deep into your pockets for your beloved State that is already in the red financially, to pay out for the healthcare of all the "Illegals" (what you prefer to call undocumented) folks coming in by the hundreds of thousands that will suck your healthcare dry on your dime. Good luck with that. I for the life of me can't figure out HOW you managed to keep that derelict governor in place. He'll be your undoing for sure.

[farm108]

I've been living here for almost 20 years. I'll move in a few months to a different state. It's not only about the higher taxes in CA, I would pay even more taxes to be honest. Like in Northern Europe for example. But what do I get back for all these taxes here in CA? (rhetorical question)

That is the problem.

[colobound65]

Originally Posted by farm108

I've been living here for almost 20 years. I'll move in a few months to a different state. It's not only about the higher taxes in CA, I would pay even more taxes to be honest. Like in Northern Europe for example. But what do I get back for all these taxes here in CA? (rhetorical question)

That is the problem.

Congrats on your escape. With prop 1, the billion dollar deficit and now health care for illegals I expect another big exodus towards summer.