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Old 05-01-2014, 07:09 PM
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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Much of the arguments against "employment equity" say that it is an outdated policy and not applicable in the modern world.

In modern Canada, should a woman be really be hired over an equally qualified man, based purely on gender?

Should you receive preferences because you are 1/4th aboriginal or of some minority race?

Should a second generation immigrant student be admitted to medical school over an equally qualified white male ..... only because of family history and race?

..... it is not all black and white .....
I believe there is still an entrenched bias that favours the white male in our society. This will change with time, but the actual equality will be the evidence, not the perception of sentiment.
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Old 05-01-2014, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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I am not aware of any quotas.

There are recommendations for employment equality that companies are asked to follow.
Pretty sure there are quotas for government departments.
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Old 05-01-2014, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Pretty sure there are quotas for government departments.
I'd like to see them if they exist and how they work, also how they are enforced.
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Old 05-02-2014, 07:44 AM
 
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I believe there is still an entrenched bias that favours the white male in our society. This will change with time, but the actual equality will be the evidence, not the perception of sentiment.
that's for sure.
Take a look at major companies' senior managers. Although the companies may be "diverse", the senior management/board members definitely are not.
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Old 05-02-2014, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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I'd like to see them if they exist and how they work, also how they are enforced.
Federal government departments most certainly have targets and executive year-end bonuses are at least partly based on meeting these targets, among other things.
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Old 05-02-2014, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Northern Ontario, Canada
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It's my understanding that the provincial and federal governments practice affirmative action but don't refer to it as such. That said, individual institutions and businesses are not under any legal obligation to practice it, nor do they by choice in my experience.
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Old 05-02-2014, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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It's my understanding that the provincial and federal governments practice affirmative action but don't refer to it as such. That said, individual institutions and businesses are not under any legal obligation to practice it, nor do they by choice in my experience.
As mentioned previously, it's known as employment equity in Canada. It does not function much differently from affirmative action in the U.S. The more stringent requirements apply to government and public sector employment, but there are no obligations imposed on private companies for example. (Although some private companies in both countries may choose to do so anyway for a variety of motivations.)
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Old 05-02-2014, 01:44 PM
 
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Pretty sure there are quotas for government departments.
You may be right.

If there are quotas in say, Health Canada - wouldn't that be public knowledge? We reserve Y% for females, X% for aboriginal peoples in Canada, etc.
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Old 05-02-2014, 01:54 PM
 
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that's for sure.
Take a look at major companies' senior managers. Although the companies may be "diverse", the senior management/board members definitely are not.
Well, it is not as bad as you may think.

Some old surveys from 2000's have shown that 5% of workers in upper management are visible minorities. And that's not too bad and will surely improve over time.

This has less to do with systematic bias and more to do with the hiring structure at upper levels of a company.
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Old 05-02-2014, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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You may be right.

If there are quotas in say, Health Canada - wouldn't that be public knowledge? We reserve Y% for females, X% for aboriginal peoples in Canada, etc.
I think it's more like X% of new hires have to be from group Y and Z, and so on.
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