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Yes, I believe if he, the man, has sincerely and conscientiously believed what he preached, and yet preached what was wrong, not through malice or opposition to the Gospel, but through mere ignorance, he shall be saved. God in his mercy will pass by his errors, and he shall not suffer punishment because he was mistaken.
Hmmmmm . . . that hardly sounds like a special burden for those who presume to teach. Hmmmm. Best hope you are right, Jerimiah because you do a lot of erroneous teaching that is not the Gospel (which only concerns the Good News post-Jesus).
Yes, I believe if he, the man, has sincerely and conscientiously believed what he preached, and yet preached what was wrong, not through malice or opposition to the Gospel, but through mere ignorance, he shall be saved. God in his mercy will pass by his errors, and he shall not suffer punishment because he was mistaken. Yet, as in most erroneous teachings there is generally a portion of wilful and obstinate ignorance, the salvation of such erroneous teachers is very rare among orthodoxy and is expressed here, yet so as by fire, i.e. with great difficulty and a mere escape, of a hair's breadth deliverance, and he shall be like abrand plucked out of the fire. God bless you.
Hmmmmm . . . that hardly sounds like a special burden for those who presume to teach. Hmmmm. Best hope you are right, Jerimiah because you do a lot of erroneous teaching that is not the Gospel (which only concerns the Good News post-Jesus).
You disagree with Jer. That doesn't mean he is is wrong. It only means that you think you are right. God will be the judge.
So are you 100% sure you are right? And on what authority?
You disagree with Jer. That doesn't mean he is is wrong. It only means that you think you are right. God will be the judge.
So are you 100% sure you are right? And on what authority?
His theology is predicated on a false view of the nature of God as a flawed and weak human being with the same psychological weaknesses that plague us (jealousy, vengeance, egotism, envy, anger, hate, etc. etc.) No matter how diligent or sincere you are in your hermeneutics and exegesis . . . an error that large cannot but invalidate most of what you believe about God. But you are right . . . God will be the judge.
(and so, yet another thread drifts into a UR versus Orthodox Christianity contest)
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His theology is predicated on a false view of the nature of God as a flawed and weak human being with the same psychological weaknesses that plague us (jealousy, vengeance, egotism, envy, anger, hate, etc. etc.) No matter how diligent or sincere you are in your hermeneutics and exegesis . . . an error that large cannot but invalidate most of what you believe about God. But you are right . . . God will be the judge.
(and so, yet another thread drifts into a UR versus Orthodox Christianity contest)
What did you find UR about Mytic's post??? It was simply claimed that Jerimiah had a primitive view of Gods nature...that God does not have a flawed human nature, like us, with all of our weaknesses and inconsistencies. Do you believe God is human and acts like we do?
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His theology is predicated on a false view of the nature of God as a flawed and weak human being with the same psychological weaknesses that plague us (jealousy, vengeance, egotism, envy, anger, hate, etc. etc.) No matter how diligent or sincere you are in your hermeneutics and exegesis . . . an error that large cannot but invalidate most of what you believe about God. But you are right . . . God will be the judge.
A. Jesus is the only name given to be saved. The chance to be saved occurs "under heaven" meaning once you're no longer under heaven your opportunity is over. If it were so, God would have said so.
Acts 4:12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."
Jesus is the foundation mentioned in 1 Cor. 3.
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B. Verse 12-13 "Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each one’s work will become clear;"
You should notice that Paul uses different building materials, going from expensive to cheap (gold to straw). That would mean that there are going to be multiple ways people are going to try enter heaven.
No - the foundation is set, and that is Christ. That is salvation. The building materials are our works for Christ's sake.
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C. "the day" Once again God speaks of one day...not multiple days. This one and only day will test the resolve of what you placed your faith in.
"Gold, silver, precious stones, wood" represent faith in Jesus. Gold being the purest to wood that is chared. People's who represent "wood" are "burned" but not destroyed and yet will enter. This is a person who escaped the burning house quite literally by the "skin of his teeth" thus the phrase "but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire."
"hay, straw" on the other hand do not survive. These people do not get saved.
Psalm 92:7
the wicked spring up like grass and all evildoers flourish, they will be forever destroyed.
Isaiah 5:24
Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the LORD Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel.
Isaiah 37:27 Their people, drained of power, are dismayed and put to shame. They are like plants in the field, like tender green shoots, like grass sprouting on the roof, scorched before it grows up.
The building materials are the quality of our works. Good quality is survives the fire. Bad quality will be burned. The wood, hay & stubble are all works on top of the foundation of Christ that will be burned. The foundation will survive the fire.
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