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According to the Bible, it is a sin to lust after someone other than your spouse. Having sexual desire for your spouse is both normal & encouraged in Scripture. I provided specific passages previously.
Well, some here obviously have not read that scripture! But still - lust is natural. And you can't really control who you lust about. It's just part of the way we were built. Now obviously, I'm married and I'm not going to sit there indulging in lusting after lots of other guys. I married my husband for a reason - I don't want anyone else. Still, we all have lustful thoughts from puberty until the day we die. It's just natural.
Well, it can be helpful in that it makes us all the more Joyful about the work done at Calvary for all mankind! But it is not necessary; on the contrary, it is Adam that has been the basis for crusades, holy wars and denominational conflict.
Yes, God can justify anyone, if they will believe!
Imo, He justified everyone; but if they believe, all the better!
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God made us perfect. He gave us free will. We chose sin over God. He provided a way of escape from the penalty of sin through Jesus' redemptive work on the cross. If we believe, we are free! Universal salvation is not Biblical!!!
I believe we are on our way to becoming perfect, yes. Does it seem fair or just that God would put all mankind in sin and not take him out again??
That wasn't what i asked you, i asked how do you discern who is anticipating Christ and who isn't ?, you cannot say prayer , because we pray in secret, so you would never know who is praying and who isn't.
No, you asked me about Cornelius. Scripture tells us he prayed regularly to God.
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And when i referred you to Cornelius and the good works he was doing, you said it was because he was anticipating Christ, and yet in the above quote,you said outside of Christ we can do nothing acceptable to Christ.
And I told you Cornelius was "in Christ" because he was devout and God-fearing (verse 2) prior to hearing that the Messiah had come. Later in chapter 10, he was saved by the preaching of Peter.
No, you asked me about Cornelius. Scripture tells us he prayed regularly to God.
And I told you Cornelius was "in Christ" because he was devout and God-fearing (verse 2) prior to hearing that the Messiah had come. Later in chapter 10, he was saved by the preaching of Peter.
No you originally said Cornelius was anticipating Christ . Let's get things in order. You said this to Phazelwood
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What can we do outside of Christ that is acceptable to God?
I responded by giving you the account of Cornelius, which you went onto to say, he was anticipating Christ, now you are saying he was in christ because he was a devout and God fearing man ????.
So my question to you is how do you know who is anticipating Christ and who isn't , so you can discern whether what they are doing is acceptable or not ?. You cannot say by prayer, because prayer is in secret ?.
I believe God moves on the hearts of all men at any given time to do good works,and most people don't realize they are doing good, or even the need to shout home about it.
Well, some here obviously have not read that scripture! But still - lust is natural. And you can't really control who you lust about. It's just part of the way we were built. Now obviously, I'm married and I'm not going to sit there indulging in lusting after lots of other guys. I married my husband for a reason - I don't want anyone else. Still, we all have lustful thoughts from puberty until the day we die. It's just natural.
Well, it can be helpful in that it makes us all the more Joyful about the work done at Calvary for all mankind! But it is not necessary; on the contrary, it is Adam that has been the basis for crusades, holy wars and denominational conflict.
One must understand they are dead in their sins to be made alive in Christ. Romans 6:23
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Imo, He justified everyone; but if they believe, all the better!
Not Biblical.
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I believe we are on our way to becoming perfect, yes. Does it seem fair or just that God would put all mankind in sin and not take him out again??
But I guess that's my point. Certainly you shouldn't let it run your life - but it's natural. It just seems that religion uses our sexuality against us. It seems that we are supposed to feel ashamed of our instincts and desires - or control them, instead of just accepting that they are normal and natural.
Don't get me wrong - I'm not trying to say that I'm right and you're wrong - or you have issues or anything. It's just that this is one of the problems that I have with Christianity.
No you originally said Cornelius was anticipating Christ . Let's get things in order. You said this to Phazelwood
I responded by giving you the account of Cornelius, which you went onto to say, he was anticipating Christ, now you are saying he was in christ because he was a devout and God fearing man ????.
So my question to you is how do you know who is anticipating Christ and who isn't , so you can discern whether what they are doing is acceptable or not ?. You cannot say by prayer, because prayer is in secret ?.
I believe God moves on the hearts of all men at any given time to do good works,and most people don't realize they are doing good, or even the need to shout home about it.
Cornelius' prayer (and dedication to God) may have been in secret, but we all know about it through Scripture, don't we?
This is the same thing that applied to all OT saints. Paul discussed this.
But I guess that's my point. Certainly you shouldn't let it run your life - but it's natural. It just seems that religion uses our sexuality against us. It seems that we are supposed to feel ashamed of our instincts and desires - or control them, instead of just accepting that they are normal and natural.
Don't get me wrong - I'm not trying to say that I'm right and you're wrong - or you have issues or anything. It's just that this is one of the problems that I have with Christianity.
You're confusing natural desires with our sinful nature. If I let my desire for other women have it's course, I would have a broken marriage, broken relationships with my kids & grandkids, possible STDs, & ultimately lonliness. Rules (God's or any others) are for our protection.
Cornelius' prayer (and dedication to God) may have been in secret, but we all know about it through Scripture, don't we?
This is the same thing that applied to all OT saints. Paul discussed this.
But on what authority can you in particular, decide who is anticipatng Christ and who isn't . So who are you to decide what is acceptable God or not, when you do not have a clue who is anticipating christ or not ?.Please don't insult our intelligence and tell us you know who is anticipating and who isn't.
The truth is Christ is anticipating us . Now that is something i find trustworthy and worthy of full acceptance.
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