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It has more to do with living in the bible belt of the US and being witness to irrational (a.k.a. stupid) hatred expressed due to the belief of a god that doesn't exist.
And that babies sin that causes you to so hate it for being conceived is exactly what? Suffer the little children because they are defenseless?
The problem really has nothing to do with whether God exists or not or a persons belief that he does or doesn't.
The problem is that a pastor who appears to believe that a childs baptism is necessary for salvation is willfully withholding the power he imagines he has to save.
It is good that his power is not real, however, if he is in any position of authority to influence others, then it is showing a vile side of religion that should be cut out and cast away.
The problem really has nothing to do with whether God exists or not or a persons belief that he does or doesn't.
For the sake of debate this is really a mote point
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Originally Posted by Phazelwood
The problem is that a pastor who appears to believe that a childs baptism is necessary for salvation is willfully withholding the power he imagines he has to save.
Thus exhibiting the hatred and intolerance that seems to go hand in hand with a huge percentage of believers.
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Originally Posted by Phazelwood
It is good that his power is not real, however, if he is in any position of authority to influence others, then it is showing a vile side of religion that should be cut out and cast away.
Of course his power is not real, but sadly far too many people don't recognize that, thus this person has far too much influence and control over others. This guy is setting himself upon a pedestal as if he were a god.
Personally, I support the pastor's right to refuse baptism to a child born out of wedlock. It's his congregation and it's his right to judge that baby. It is also God's right to judge him for judging. I wonder who's going to have the last word... him or God.
God will have the last word. That is what bothers me about certain churches, they think they are better than thou.
I thought children were considered sinless up to age 12? is there a verse to support it or not?
That was just folks way of getting around the Super-extra evilness of little kids being sent to be tortured forever.
Oh... well... hmmm. Well, gee that DOES make God seem extra super duper crazy-cruel doesn't it? Well... ok, how about this? A free pass to heaven if they're under a certain age?
Then of course you get into the whole paradox of... well if the kids are getting a free pass to "heaven" if they die by a certain age then... (need I finish the thought?)
Yes condemn these babies they say, as we will not bless them and this will hold God protection and authority over these little babies away from them ...... The pastor should get other Christians to bless the babies outside the church if the churches intolerances and so strong in the law
Jesus will honor the authority of other Christians prayers as it is the will of God that these babies authority is given to Gods blessing...As Jesus said ``Love your neighbor as your self ``, and this commandment of Jesus is ignored for these babies .............. Father I give all these babies lives to you for your blessing in the world and for their steps for Jesus salvation in their lives . Father I ask forgiveness for these people who condemn your people for sin and out of your will . I take our judgment away, and plead the Blood of Jesus over these people and the babies that go with no blessing from Heaven in Jesus name ... Father I bind up these spirit responsible that blind your people, and cast them down in Jesus name ... Quicken your believers again with you will in Jesus name .......
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hmmm. Well, gee that DOES make God seem extra super duper crazy-cruel doesn't it? Well... ok, how about this? A free pass to heaven if they're under a certain age? 
