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Old 10-28-2011, 11:12 AM
 
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I want us all to think about this topic truthfully. Sometimes some unpleasant things happen and we cry, but these 'unpleasant' things result into good things at the end. Everything happens according to a predetermined path by the creator. That is why it said in scripture that all things worketh for good for those that serve the Lord.

If you examine Genesis critically, you will come to one conclusion on the reason why Adam & Eve sinned. It was to fulfill the will of God. God had told them told multiply and fill the earth - could they have done this in ignorance? I think not. If we argue that God did not know or did not plan the events, then are we saying that God is not omniscience? Are we not demeaning the Almighty?

God can raise a nation and can also debase a nation, not to talk of the humans in the nations. God does all things, so at all times all glory should be given to him and him alone.

Again if you examine the life of Christ, you'll learn that in order for him to shed his blood, the understanding of his role and who he is was carefully sealed from the reigning politico-religious elite until after his death. That is God for you. He goes about his business in mysterious ways, using all his creations as tools to achieve his purpose.

God has his DNA in all his creations, and anytime we act against his will for us, he directly intervenes in any form to correct the event. Jona's case readily comes to mind.

Because God had predestined Jacob to greatness, he made sure that Isaac who loved Esau was struck with blindness in his later years. You can imagine all efforts and prayers Isaac offered to get back his sight but they did not work (Cue your own prayers that don't work..). His blindness was to fulfill the destiny of Jacob. But God is also a God of Justice, he balances things and had assured that Esau will prevail in the end. or to fulfill his promise to Jacob, through the lineage of Judah, he made sure that Judah's lineage was preserved even after the death of his sons. The way that was achieved was through Judah unwittingly mating his late son's wife.

In this current dispensation, some of us are waiting for rapture, some are setting the dates of his arrival and various other things. My bet is on God outwitting popular isdom and doing his own thing. Why is it that man never seems to understand him? Of course he makes us not to!
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Old 10-28-2011, 05:59 PM
 
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It's either his planned failed and or didn't. Which one is it? If he created everything, then that should also include evil. Good and Evil, these paths only exist because God created them. I hate how some make excuses and say that sinning in a way is a blessing because we wouldn't have experienced Jesus's death. It's like saying that you wouldn't experience something positive like receiving stitches after being attacked by a shark. That wouldn't take place if the shark didn't attack you.
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Old 10-31-2011, 01:59 PM
 
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It's either his planned failed and or didn't. Which one is it? If he created everything, then that should also include evil. Good and Evil, these paths only exist because God created them. I hate how some make excuses and say that sinning in a way is a blessing because we wouldn't have experienced Jesus's death. It's like saying that you wouldn't experience something positive like receiving stitches after being attacked by a shark. That wouldn't take place if the shark didn't attack you.
He created evil, its in your scripture. Isaiah 45 v 7. My point is it is too simplistic to assume that after creating man, he did not know that man would sin. If we assume that, then what kind of God is he?
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Old 10-31-2011, 03:31 PM
 
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He created evil, its in your scripture. Isaiah 45 v 7. My point is it is too simplistic to assume that after creating man, he did not know that man would sin. If we assume that, then what kind of God is he?
God is life and He created life to procreate. Life must mature. That is the "imperfection" (the need to mature spiritually) . . . not some intrinsic evil. With our God-like powers our spiritual immaturity can wreak true evil (not just eating some fruit!!!).
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Old 10-31-2011, 03:46 PM
 
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If Adam and Eve would have obeyed God then , this would have given God the authority to destroy the devil and the fallen angel and their works would have being brushed aside as the creation of Man would have been in victory....... See the devil and fallen angel had already fell before Adam was created as the need of a tree of knowledge of God and evil would not be there.......... So as the result the Lord though the fall of man put before man good and evil , life and death blessings and curses , and says choose life .... See there is no vision of what the world would have being if Man did not fall and the devil had not authority in the World , ......
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Old 10-31-2011, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Before God, Nothing is Bad
I strongly disagree!


These things are bad/hateful before God. (Prov. 6:16-19)


1) A proud look
2) A lying tongue
3) Hands that shed innocent blood
4) A heart that devises wicked imaginations
5) Feet that are swift in running to mischief
6) A false witness who spreads lies
7) One who sows discord among brethren.
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Old 11-01-2011, 06:31 AM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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God is life and He created life to procreate. Life must mature. That is the "imperfection" (the need to mature spiritually) . . . not some intrinsic evil. With our God-like powers our spiritual immaturity can wreak true evil (not just eating some fruit!!!).
This is our PURPOSE...if we are not raising our consciousness by learning from our mistakes and maturing in this life...then we are just wasting the limited time we are given here in the physical plane to do so.
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Old 11-01-2011, 06:51 AM
 
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God's Word tells us we need to be reborn (born of His Spirit) through faith in God the Son Jesus Christ. Interesting to note that Peter walked on water with Jesus. Peter had faith, that what Jesus told him to do, he could do - and he did. I would call that being spiritually mature. Yet during Peter's walk on water, doubt crept in and he started to sink. Jesus rebuked him for that doubt.

Reborn Christians need to remember that doubt and fear is not from God, and it prevents us from doing what God's will is for us. Keep the faith and do not doubt or fear. That is how you grow into spiritual maturity.
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Old 11-01-2011, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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Mr. OP. I'm not sure where you get your ideas, because they are truly unique. And wrong. God created man with a free will. Adam and Eve freely chose to listen to Satan's temptation and reject God's will. Therefore, people can and do every day reject the will of God.
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Old 11-01-2011, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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God's Word tells us we need to be reborn (born of His Spirit) through faith in God the Son Jesus Christ. Interesting to note that Peter walked on water with Jesus. Peter had faith, that what Jesus told him to do, he could do - and he did. I would call that being spiritually mature. Yet during Peter's walk on water, doubt crept in and he started to sink. Jesus rebuked him for that doubt.

Reborn Christians need to remember that doubt and fear is not from God, and it prevents us from doing what God's will is for us. Keep the faith and do not doubt or fear. That is how you grow into spiritual maturity.
And, according to Jesus as written in the bible, believers would be able to do even GREATER works than those. I've yet to meet anyone who has walked on water, move a mountain, etc...so either ALL Christians don't have enough faith or the stories were allegorical/metaphorical for a higher spiritual truth. Just saying...
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