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Twin, while the statement you are making isn't true, the sentiment behind it is honest and sincere. I remember thinking the same sort of thing when I was studying to refute UR... I kept thinking that if UR was true, many other doctrines that I believed in didn't seem to fit with it. It was very unsettling to even consider that the whole house of cards might come tumbling down.
I had to be honest with myself about whether I really wanted to know the truth, or if it I was going to allow myself to be ruled by the fear and extreme discomfort of potentially seeing the house fall and having the rug pulled out from under me. The love of Truth isn't for cowards ... (so I should definitely not have pursued it . But I'm still grateful that I did.)
A walk with God(1 God not 3) is established by a Way, unfortunately most of do not understand that when Jesus said He is the Way, He was referring to the Life that was being demonstrated.
The reality(the truth) of His Life and following it, is the Way to the Father.
There is a way which seems right to a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. Proverbs 14:12
The Way to Life is the very Life demonstrated to us through and by the man Christ Jesus.
Follow this Way of Life, there is no belief in doctrine needed.
A walk with God(1 God not 3) is established by a Way, unfortunately most of do not understand that when Jesus said He is the Way, He was referring to the Life that was being demonstrated.
The reality(the truth) of His Life and following it, is the Way to the Father.
There is a way which seems right to a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. Proverbs 14:12
The Way to Life is the very Life demonstrated to us through and by the man Christ Jesus.
Follow this Way of Life, there is no belief in doctrine needed.
Certainly not all Christian Universalists would agree with you, but I (as just a plain ol' universalist) do.
And I don't see this as "working" to make myself right with God or to "get to the Father" ... but only that in allowing the spirit of God/Love to work through me as Jesus did, that is how I will learn to know the Father, and be assured of the truth that the Father is, and always has been, with me -- not against me. THAT is life.
Certainly not all Christian Universalists would agree with you, but I (as just a plain ol' universalist) do.
And I don't see this as "working" to make myself right with God or to "get to the Father" ... but only that in allowing the spirit of God/Love to work through me as Jesus did, that is how I will learn to know the Father, and be assured of the truth that the Father is, and always has been, with me -- not against me. THAT is life.
When we get beyond seeing a man with a beard, we see God
The "Word" is God and became flesh and Lived among us.
No.. because there is no sound Biblical doctrine for it.
THIS is what the "precepts and doctrines of men" refers to as what has caused the great apostasy and deception that the Churches are under today. They keep looking to the future without realizing WE are the future referred to 2000+ years ago.
Twin, while the statement you are making isn't true, the sentiment behind it is honest and sincere. I remember thinking the same sort of thing when I was studying to refute UR... I kept thinking that if UR was true, many other doctrines that I believed in didn't seem to fit with it. It was very unsettling to even consider that the whole house of cards might come tumbling down.
I had to be honest with myself about whether I really wanted to know the truth, or if it I was going to allow myself to be ruled by the fear and extreme discomfort of potentially seeing the house fall and having the rug pulled out from under me. The love of Truth isn't for cowards ... (so I should definitely not have pursued it . But I'm still grateful that I did.)
Pleroo,
Why not consider what really is going on instead exiting to an conclusion that is accusational in nature... is what I come away with shaking my head. God justly rejecting those who reject him is well documented.
There is no cowardness with John 3:16, John 3:36, Matthew 25:31-46 for example. Ignoring it as revelant doesn't make it not so.
Pleroo,
Why not consider what really is going on instead exiting to an conclusion that is accusational in nature... is what I come away with shaking my head. God justly rejecting those who reject him is well documented.
There is no cowardness with John 3:16, John 3:36, Matthew 25:31-46 for example. Ignoring it as revelant doesn't make it not so.
I'm sorry if my post came off as an accusation. It was not meant to be. It was meant to say that while I don't agree with the conclusions you reached, I can relate to why you came to those conclusions. There's no denying that various doctrines hang on each other ... and if one falls, there is the danger that the rest may fall too. That's a scary thought for someone who has lived their life believing a certain set of doctrines all their life.
Being afraid doesn't make one a coward. It's when we allow fear to keep us from moving forward that it becomes cowardice. Don't most people struggle with that to some degree though, at least occasionally? I know I do!
Ps. You keep insinuating that UR ignores various scripture passages, but it does not. It simply understands those passages in a different light than you do.
I'm sorry if my post came off as an accusation. It was not meant to be. It was meant to say that while I don't agree with the conclusions you reached, I can relate to why you came to those conclusions. There's no denying that various doctrines hang on each other ... and if one falls, there is the danger that the rest may fall too. That's a scary thought for someone who has lived their life believing a certain set of doctrines all their life.
Being afraid doesn't make one a coward. It's when we allow fear to keep us from moving forward that it becomes cowardice. Don't most people struggle with that to some degree though, at least occasionally? I know I do!
Ps. You keep insinuating that UR ignores various scripture passages, but it does not. It simply understands those passages in a different light than you do.
Pleroo,
Do you honestly believe that Jesus said things vaguely enough so as truth is nothing more than just relative?
Pleroo,
Do you honestly believe that Jesus said things vaguely enough so as truth is nothing more than just relative?
I know that there are an amazing amount of Christian denominations and individuals who disagree on all sorts of things based on how they interpret the bible.
I know that there are an amazing amount of Christian denominations and individuals who disagree on all sorts of things based on how they interpret the bible.
But I didn't ask about other denominations ... I asked if you do.
But I didn't ask about other denominations ... I asked if you do.
Jesus himself said that he spoke in parables "because seeing they do not see".
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. But I'm still grateful that I did.)
